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22 de Enero, 2007
Proud of White Lies
Categorized under El Malestar Pálido | Tags: White Supremacists
I THOUGHT IT MIGHT MAKE ME ANGRY, but I can only look at this site "NewSaxon," a "Virtual White Community Online," and feel sad. I know what it feels like to want to belong to something. I know what it feels like to want to have pride in who you are. But this is exactly what is dangerous about "White Pride"; and this is just what I mean when I shoot down the Fallacious Flip, one example of which is when I am asked "Why is it okay for you to have Brown Pride, and I can't run around declaring 'White Pride?'"
NewSaxon.com realizes the need of white folk to have a place on the net to call our own so we set up an online community where you are in control of how the site looks, runs and feels. The site offers members the ability to stay connected with family, old friends and meet new people through our online discussion forums, real-time chat rooms, groups,and classifieds section.
Translation: "We want a Whites-Only joint; but we are not responsible for all the crazy and sick shit we know we will attract. You're the ones decorating and populating it, after all. We'll just be profiting off of ad space."
You can have pride. And I see nothing wrong, necessarily, with having a "place of your own." But you'll note that even at The Unapologetic Mexican—a "place of our own," I do not exclude "Whites." I just set a standard where the dominant culture's memes are not allowed to do their normal job. Because, you see, "Brown Pride" is a reclamation. It is a way of saying "Hell no, we won't duck and hide and agree to these harmful memes out there; in the news, in the laws, in the movies, in some people's minds and mouths! We are proud of these traits, and this blood we have been made to feel is inferior! We do not agree with the White Man's Burden. We do not agree with this False American History. We do not agree that we are less than or alien."
That's what is behind (at least my idea of) "Brown Pride." But as soon as you say "White Pride," I mean...what are you saying you are proud of, exactly? What is being "reclaimed"? And I'm not saying you can't find some kind of answer to what can a White Person individually be proud of. Hell no! And yes, as a group thing, I do understand the impulse to want to be part of something strong and proud.
The problem is, too often, sites like "NewSaxon" is what people who want "White Pride" come up with. A site dedicated to hating the Brown, and the Jews, and a host of others. If you jumped to that link you can see the lie of that nice blockquote I posted above. NewSaxon is certainly not about "family." Not unless "family" means celebrating migrant arrests and "purifying the invader Jew" games.
And I guess that's what really makes me the saddest. Why does hate make you proud? Why, when these particular kinds of people want to have "Pride," is the swastika the first thing they think of?




Comentarios (29)
XP dijo:
I already thought they had one, it was called Stormfront.com.
Palabras por XP spat forth on el 22 de Enero, 2007 at 02:29 PM
nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez dijo:
stormtrooper.org? yeh...
maybe they just need to branch out. diversify...something like that.
Palabras por nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez spat forth on el 22 de Enero, 2007 at 02:31 PM
Ill Do Chay dijo:
Your write up reminded me of things like "Black History Month" - where the rest of the year is White History time? "Oh, okay, you guys are making noise, so here's a token recognition. Now quit your bellyaching."
I also notice an ad at the top of their banner - largest collection of 'White Power' videos. What a hate filled bunch. Oh what horror if their racial purity is tainted by anything not pasty white. puke.
I'd like to know how they can verify the whiteyness of their prospective members, and I'd love it if they were infiltrated by POCs. Surely the FBI will be on these potential terrrsts.
Palabras por Ill Do Chay spat forth on el 22 de Enero, 2007 at 03:10 PM
Sylvia dijo:
So on point it's prickly.
Palabras por Sylvia spat forth on el 22 de Enero, 2007 at 04:31 PM
darkblack dijo:
Man, it's whiter than a mashed Idaho potato with sour cream on top over there...Why can't those Aryans just be happy singing (the Horst Wessel Lied) and 'boogalooing' (to George Lincoln Rockwell and Skrewdriver records) while they put a purdy shine on their jackboots in their government-subsidized gated compounds, I ask you?
Always making trouble...You know they're never going to be equal...
...To humans
;>)
Palabras por darkblack spat forth on el 22 de Enero, 2007 at 05:06 PM
nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez dijo:
mmmm mashed potato with sourcream. it must be time for dinner. and
CHIVES, CABRÓN!!!
Palabras por nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez spat forth on el 22 de Enero, 2007 at 05:14 PM
darkblack dijo:
...And before anybody gets their dander up, let me just say that many of my friends are mayonnaise people, er, caucasian.
Chives? How delightfully suburban, Nezua.
;>)
Palabras por darkblack spat forth on el 22 de Enero, 2007 at 05:20 PM
nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez dijo:
shit vato i spent a few years in bethesda, MD!!! suburban mecca.
altho the chives urge comes from roadtrips rollin thru Wendys® drivethrough...
Palabras por nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez spat forth on el 22 de Enero, 2007 at 05:24 PM
darkblack dijo:
'i spent a few years in bethesda, MD!' and eating at Wendy's...Don't make me clutch my pearls, ese.
;>)
In the spirit of confession which you have so graciously provided, let me just state that not all white people of my acquaintance are shiftless and dishonest.
Yes, I know, I find that hard to believe myself but the occasional 'white' diamond manages to shine through the pastified murk of western civilization.
For instance, the female barrista who serves my morning Starbucks...Always smiling and quick with the exact change, even when I don't tip.
;>)
Palabras por darkblack spat forth on el 22 de Enero, 2007 at 05:44 PM
nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez dijo:
i had a white doggie once and treated him rreeeel nice,like brushed his hair n shit foo aint i coo? i'd even have one again, sure, sure i mean it
Palabras por nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez spat forth on el 22 de Enero, 2007 at 05:51 PM
darkblack dijo:
I've heard that white dogs have...How to put this delicately?...'recessive traits', difficulties inherent to the breed which may explain (and some say, justify) the 'glass kennel roof' preventing many of them from attaining the heights of dog show fame...You know, excessive barking, always begging for a treat, indoor incontinence, acting superior to other dogs, so forth and so on.
Was that your experience, Nezua?
;>)
Palabras por darkblack spat forth on el 22 de Enero, 2007 at 06:09 PM
nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez dijo:
well. i hate to generalize across the entire breed, you know? i mean...i think my dog did act like that...but he was spoiled, poor thing. i don't think it was genetically inherent or anything like that. :)
Palabras por nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez spat forth on el 22 de Enero, 2007 at 06:15 PM
darkblack dijo:
And that's the problem...Spoiling. Many white canine creatures sweet, natively docile temperaments are ruined by exposure to privelege and riled up by agitationist forces, thus when the 'sugar tit' dries up they're the first to bite the hand that feeds, so to speak.
Well, you know what they say...'Lay down with a white dog, get up with white fleas', or words to that effect.
;>)
Palabras por darkblack spat forth on el 22 de Enero, 2007 at 06:24 PM
nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez dijo:
jejeje
...too much!
Palabras por nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez spat forth on el 22 de Enero, 2007 at 06:28 PM
OZinwisconsin dijo:
Racists coming up with supposedly new ideas are still just racists.
Palabras por OZinwisconsin spat forth on el 22 de Enero, 2007 at 08:05 PM
nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez dijo:
for some reason that cracked me up. was it the simplicity?
so true. well put.
Palabras por nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez spat forth on el 22 de Enero, 2007 at 08:08 PM
Richard dijo:
I think this is Mike Blevin's group. He used to be my "favorite Nazi"
I used to get on neo-Nazi sites, either under "gayboy" (really stick it up their ass!) or using the name of my Labrador retreiver pup... I sort of liked the idea that the Aryan Nations was sending literature to a black bitch :-) I used to make Blevins miserable and thought he'd disappeared into some bunker somewhere.
I spent about a year involved with an informal group of cyber-resistance types, countering neo-nazi propaganda (mostly undermining confidence in their leaders, and convincing otherwise intellegent kids that the whole thing was bullshit... We never lied, and that was the important thing.
Most of you guys are smarter than a least a few Lou Dobbs (and some smarter than 10 of 'em)... have fun, but don't expect to "win"... that's not the point. These kids are probably programmed to think they need to "win" in life (there ain't no big prize behind the curtain at the end... or, if there is... it sure doesn't have anything to do with "success") and think they have to "win" an argument. Nah... they just need exposed to the truth. And that can be devestating to their fragile egos.
The kids who go for this kind of thing aren't always just losers (though this group appears to be, and that's who Blevins recruited), as much as missing something emotionally. Yeah, some were just terrified of being "found out" that they weren't "superman" (a surprising number are closet gays... but one look at the homoeroticism of racist propaganda and it's obvious), but more just being "found out" that they're really not important in the way they've been taught (or led to belive) they should be.
The smarter ones (or at least the ones who read) spin these elaborate theories to justify their position, or hint at "hidden" knowledge that would clarify the whole thing. "If you knew what I knew..." is shorthand for "I am the truth and the way..." and they're the ones you need to go after.
I had a thicker skin, the time and money to spend hours plowing through their bullshit (and find and write up the truth) and enough humor to shrug off the weekly death threats.
Having dealt with these bozos before is one reason I say "race doesn't matter." Yeah,, of course, the "brown people" (and black, and other shades of tan people... not to mention religious minorities, gays, women, etc.) have it worse than the "white guys", but that has to do with the false meanings given to "race" and not anything innately human.
These days, I'd just as soon knock some sense into these fools with a baseball bat.
Palabras por Richard spat forth on el 22 de Enero, 2007 at 08:33 PM
nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez dijo:
wow, great insights, Richard. thanks for that. it makes a lot of sense.
Palabras por nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez spat forth on el 22 de Enero, 2007 at 08:44 PM
XP dijo:
I just found this out today. Here in Tejas, there was one those county community boards and just was just shut down last night because they were alarmed with the large amount of racism that was going on and somebody I know (una gringa, fighting the good fight) who used that board, well, somebody killed her dog and had the gal to taunt her about it.
These people are sick fucks.
Palabras por XP spat forth on el 22 de Enero, 2007 at 09:21 PM
Aaron Kinney dijo:
When people hate, it is because of fear. When people fear, it is because of insecurity. Racist websites scream of themselves, "I'm scared and insecure!"
When people are proud, they celebrate with toasts, dancing, and ear to ear smiles and the like. When people are afraid, they stomp around in jackboots and shout of imagined conspiracies through bullhorns.
These types of people and organizations, through their websites and messages, say more about their own pathetic nature than critics like us ever could.
The joke is on them.
Palabras por Aaron Kinney spat forth on el 23 de Enero, 2007 at 11:17 AM
nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez dijo:
the true face peeks out from behind the mask...and even the light that illuminates it is ashamed.
Palabras por nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez spat forth on el 23 de Enero, 2007 at 11:56 AM
whiter than white dijo:
I wish I could say I am surprised or even disapointed anymore. 21 centuries after they nailed some guy to a tree for saying how great it would be if we were all nice to each other for once we still get wahoos like these. I don't know what real impact they make on brown people (other than when one of their more loony numbers decides its up to him to start the cleansing) but I do know the impact they have on us pale people with an IQ slightly above room temperature. It makes us dispare for this country and every hope & dream it was founded on. It makes us embaressed. Where have we as a nation gotten to that we can not stomp out this mental illness?
Palabras por whiter than white spat forth on el 23 de Enero, 2007 at 12:16 PM
Alicia dijo:
People who have real 'pride' - pride in themselves as humans - do not need to hate others in order to love themselves.
Palabras por Alicia spat forth on el 28 de Enero, 2007 at 03:53 PM
Texas Pride dijo:
What a joke this is.
First off you people to read the Oath of Citizenship for the US.
If mexico is so great then why do beaners want to live in the US ?
Well just like the niggers/ beaners know their country sucks & they can't make a real living like in the US.
I got a kick out of the parts I read in here about hate. Ha ha ha
Beaners hate gringos ??? oh wait I said (hate) ??
? why are all the gangs Niggers or Beaners or Gooks ??
Oh and you say you beaners don't hate yet you fight over stupid city blocks that you don't really own ???
Yet WHITES don't do this ??
The US was formed by WHITE ANGLO-SAXON's not specs & niggers.
So get real & do your research better before you post.
Oh I know this post won't last cause its the real truth about who the real racist & haters are.
Keep all this bull shit going cause we Gringos need a good laugh.
Palabras por Texas Pride spat forth on el 2 de Noviembre, 2007 at 02:09 AM
texas pride dijo:
I left out a question in my last post.
Why did God / Nature design the genetics of the races different from each other ?
There is a reason for the separation of the genetics of the different races.
No other creature in nature mixes.
The gorillas don't mix with chimps / the lions don't mix with any of other great cats / Only man mixes.Race mixing is wrong or there would be no need for the genetics of the races to be different.
So like I said in my last post do the research.
Palabras por texas pride spat forth on el 2 de Noviembre, 2007 at 03:29 AM
nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez
dijo:
what a sad waste of a human oocyte you are. i'd school you, but i'm bored just contemplating it.
i will thank you, indeed, for stopping by to tell me the "real truth about who the racists and haters are." i think you've left no doubt about that.
Palabras por nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez
spat forth on el 2 de Noviembre, 2007 at 05:26 AM
Robbie dijo:
You know something? I am a caucasian american male born in the United States. I grew up in a military family and lived all over the world. I was able to gain a great appreciation for my brothers and sisters throughout the world as well a s an appreciation for their various cultures. I think it's wonderful that we have so much diversity in the united states. However I do believe it is quite biased for one ethnicity to have the ability to have "pride" in their color and for another it is wrong. If you want to have pride in your mexican, brazillian, Spanish, Italian or whatever culture then GREAT! I am very proud to be Scottish American. But to have the pride simply of the color of your skin makes no sense at all. Take pride in the beauty that is your culture and preserve it so that it may be enjoyed by all but don't be so shallow as to base that pride simply on skin tone. It is unimportant.
Palabras por Robbie spat forth on el 13 de Noviembre, 2007 at 10:50 AM
nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez
dijo:
Then don't take pride in the color of your skin, and you'll be in line with your own standards. I think you can pull it off.
Palabras por nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez
spat forth on el 13 de Noviembre, 2007 at 10:53 AM
MLW in OK dijo:
I happened across this thread while searching for something completely unrelated . . . Just a comment to Pride in Texas -- you might like to try a little research yourself - race and species are completely different concepts. Gorillas and chimps don't mix because they can't. They are different species. On the other hand, think about the canine species and how much variety there is with them, even more than humans, with size, colors, fur type, etc., but they are the same species and they definitely do mix every chance they get. Race is a man-made concept. It's arbitrary. We're all the same genetically. There are varying degrees of skin color, eye color, hair color & texture, facial features, etc., but we're still the same species. As a member of both the arbitrary classification of the caucasion race as well as the human race, people like you really make the rest of us look stupid.
Palabras por MLW in OK spat forth on el 27 de Enero, 2008 at 01:27 PM