May I venture to suggest that US mainstream political discourse occurs between the right and the center, which is called 'the left' to perpetuate the illusion of democracy. There was armed conflict in Northern Ireland until only recently over British occupation, with memories going back to battles over 300 years ago. Eventually I think Ireland will be united, British rule will end as we no longer have a big ol' empire. Not that I'm making any parallels here...

Might I add to Nezua's post by leaving a link to a site that actually demonstrates what Nezua is speaking of?? Make of it what you will.....
http://www.alpinesurvival.com/immigration.html

ay. dios. mio.

from your link, jerry:

It is illegal invasion and hostile occupation of American land where they install their drug culture gangland warfare anarchy.

!!! Nothing gets installed that you don't download yourself, señor. stop shoving your mousepointer around and maybe you will stop fucking up your own programs.

hostile occupation. illegal invasion. how the Right loves to project.

Fully understand that that their political and militaristic objective is the total destruction of the White Anglo Saxon Protestant lifestyle; ironically, the very people and culture that supports them.

OH...yeah, that's right. YOU are the ones out there packing meat and cleaning dishes and cleaning houses getting underpaid, being nannies so the kids aren't left alone while SOMEONE is out doing their bizness, being gardeners, harvesting grapes, avacados, spinach, to put food on america's table, having your labor solicited and then being punished when the "White Anglo Saxon Protestants" get scared of the census numbers. YOU are the ones "supporting" Mexican migrants. HA!

Mestizos are the people resulting from the blending of European, Indian, and African races and traditions in Latin America. At different places and times, they have also been called ladinos or cholos.

Cholos? jeje. fool.

Despite the fact that Mexico 'Lost' in a War the land they now claim as theirs, it is legitimate, tax paying American citizens that feed and otherwise support their hapless descendants.

I appreciate the quotes on "lost." At least it's not all crap you're putting out there.

But I'm "hapless," gabacho? Is that the best you can do? Why don't you pull a word out of this century's lexicon?

And don't you know that these so-called "illegalalienz" pay taxes they usually never see? Money that gets sucked up by our government and used for "legal" Americans' benefit?

so WHO is supporting WHOM?

These folks ought to just go ahead and wear their sheets all the time. But I guess they missed what happened in Colorado. Elected a bunch of bigots, passed a bunch of racist laws and then cried like a bunch of tittybabies when their crops rotted in the fields. Boo f**king hoo. Colorado got exactly what they asked for. Or maybe they were too wrapped up in the 'hate the brown people and blame them for our problems' mentality to realize what they were doing to themselves.

I was kinda worried when I saw "Alpine Survival" thinking it had something to do with my precarious existence out here in Alpine, Texas. Nah... once I dug through the diverting story of the Knights Templars and Mary, Queen of Scots (all something to do with the Mescan invasion, apparently... not to mention Osama bin Ladin and Avian Flu)... I got down to the real business. They're selling freeze-dried food! (Why do I think they don't have pollo con mole available?)

I was sort of relieved that these clowns were just marketing a product, til I realized it also meant they had a market audience. There probably aren't that many survivalists to worry about (and if they're holed up in the hills, it's only people like me... living out in them thar hills... that ever have to deal with them), but their ideas are prevalent enough to scare me. I don't know what else one can do but try to undermine the propaganda, and try countering with historical accuracy.

It's frustrating that the Mexican-American War is basically written out of U.S. history. Even out here, the local second-hand bookshop (otherwise very good) skips past the whole thing (except for the Texas War of Independence). There just isn't a lot of material out there. Or, rather, it's ignored.

If you can read through military history, the best book on the War is John S.D. Eisenhower "So Far From God" (U. of Oklahoma Press). Eisenhower's book pre-dates the Iraq invasion, but he's made similar connections to the Mexican War since then.

I was living in Mexico City when the U.S. invaded Iraq, and the parallels to the "Unjust Invasion of the North Americans" was very clear to everyone I spoke with (I wrote about it way back when) -- a grab for resources disguised as liberation, "racial profiling" and creating a religious threat, etc.

thanks for the links, richard. i look forward to reading them. yes...it is a rather obvious pattern, isn't it?

Good point RickB. Because although race and ethnicity are used as weapons to distinguish from the conqueror and the conquered, at the very heart Empire its about dominion, its about ownership of entire peoples, their identities and their resources (including the people itself). It is slavery en masse. Whether it was the manager of absentee landowners estates or the political and military proxies used through out the Americas and the world, it is Empire all the same.

The irony is of course that the conqueror's own narrative of national liberation serves as fuel for those that resist it grasping tentacles. The same propaganda and celluloid myths fuel the conqueror as well as the conquered, the former to justify their ambitions, the latter their resistance.

As a character in Star Trek: The Next Generation asked: "How do you kill an idea?"

go home use your energies there , what's so wrong about that?

great point, rafa. it is a first reflex to use the tools of those who have oppressed you to resist, as you have been taught that those tools work. but you add a wise observation that this reflex is just different shit in the same ole bag.

delegate cero talks of ways to "resist" that don't involve the idea of dominating a nation or subjugating others to your culture; that do not take up the very weapons used to oppress. these are my interpretations of the "Other Campaign." i write about ideas that i feel move in this direction in my category "Signs of the Sixth Sun."

what's wrong with nonsequiturs, that's what i say, mathmatics.

i am home, vato. note the energies. feel it!

The problem with statements like the guy, there are, as one might expect, inherent contradictions in the propaganda of Anglo-Saxonism. All non-Euroamericans are savage, brute, warlike, and ferocious, while Euroamericans, contrastingly, are peace-loving, humane, civilized, moral, just, and bringers of freedom giving institutions.

The inherent contradictions are clear. Anglo-Saxon aggression and violence is virile, manly, and heroic; violence on the part of the indigenous conversely was savage and barbaric proof of their animalistic qualities that in turn provided further excuse for more "manly" violence on the part of the Anglos. The "Injuns" murdered women and children, therefore, it is proof of their irredeemable savagery - Anglo-Saxons simply expanded, women and children "receding" before them. There is no difference from what was said couple centuries ago to justify Manifest Destiny and the justification to invade Iraq. Wasn't one of the arguments that Sadam was more cruel to his own people than we are? So, instead of being brute, warlike, or savage, these attributes suddenly change into heroic qualities; the heroic conqueror, the exterminator of inferior races, replenishing the world with superior institutions and peoples.

No matter how you slice it, dice it and spice it, mierdad will always taste like mierdad. However that is ok, because the United States was not alone in forging its racially heterogeneous political agenda on the non-white. Countries, such as Canada, Australia, and New Zealand who have a substantial aboriginal population along with other countries that were ruled by Britain, France, Belgium, and the Netherlands are saying BASTA!!!

If you do a simple google search, you will see how each of these countries, especially in Australia and New Zealand, two other Anglo-Saxon made countries, are beginning to see the oppress rising up against their oppressors. The reason the capitalist elites want to control the Internet is because they fear that the oppressed people of the world will unite by exchanging ideas and forming our own identity. Malcolm was right. The chickens are coming home to roost.