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12 de Abril, 2007

King Koz Chastises Crying Bloggers

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HEAR YE, HEAR YE: King Koz has declared that death threats made to bloggers "dont' even exist" "most of the time"! Subjects who dare to refute this charge do not know of the King's crystal ball! He can see all your threats before they arise...or arrive in your inbox.

Look, if you blog, and blog about controversial shit, you'll get idiotic emails. Most of the time, said "death threats" don't even exist -- evidenced by the fact that the crying bloggers and journalists always fail to produce said "death threats".

—King Koz

And then his Controversial Orange Majesty shares one of his own non-death threats:

AIDS will be killing more amd more of you liberals every year. We conservatives have all the money, and you will be shining our shoes. You will stay in your minimum wage jobs. You are poor. We are rich. We get to travel. You don't. You have to scrape for tips. How about that 2000 election? Nigger Cochran couldn't save you. Is it true that "liberal" means "small penis" in Esperanto? Republicans will hold the Presidency until 2029 at least. You think you have power with Dago Pelosi, but you work for us. We let you "win" an election here and there just to fool you. Pretty cool how the Taliban would let stone walls fall on homosexuals. That is what will happen to liberals. God does not love liberals. That is why he gave you AIDS. Let's hope more gays and liberals get beaten up. From your genetic superior."

—Email sent to King Koz

Seriously? With the amount of email that he must receive...is this the best he could do? He says he has received harsher threats. Is he one of those "crying bloggers" who now cannot produce the evidence? Did he intentionally pick a less threatening email to prove a point that these threats aren't so severe...and then admit it? Or did he pick this particular passage for reasons other than the threats contained?

Personally I agree with Chris:

Activists often get death threats when people who support the status quo find those activists effective. Kos does not believe death threats exist, never having seen one. Drawing of the obvious conclusions has been left as an exercise for the reader.

—Creek Running NorthThis Just In, Markos Moulitsas is an Idiot

That is, Milord: Maybe you find yourself edgy. I don't know. But face it, you are not writing as a strong woman rising up. You are not writing as a militant chican@ taking pride. You are not writing as an angry black woman, or as an unapologetic chinese vato. What hate mail do you expect to get? Shooot. You think that addled piece of confused hate you quoted is a threat? Listen, I could read you emails and comments that would curl your lip, make you suck in your breath, clutch your children. I mean threats. I mean shoot-you-filthy-mexicans-in-the-f*****-face" hate. Vile, vile, vile. Not "I hope this happens to you" stuff, but direct threat. I am talking about words I delete before my eyes get a chance to reach the punctuation because the first glimpse is so vile I don't want it coming back to my memory, ever. Get me? And, yeah, like you, I can be a tough guy. I can minimize the risk in my mind. But how can one so easily disregard a woman's fear of being hurt and violated in this culture of ours, Señor Progressive? I mean, Kathy Sierra is talking about much more than just "stupid emails," from what I've read. Did you let your intense kneejerk opposition to any type of "ethics standards" overwhelm any other considerations?

You say that those who "blog about controversial shit" ought to expect this. Now, I don't know what all Ms. Sierra was blogging on elsewhere. But this blog where she describes her threats and then leaves the blog seems to be about....computers? I don't know...I'll go a page before the "threat" post and grab the title and first graf:

Every time I give a talk, someone always asks, "That's all good and nice that helping users learn is the key to creating passionate users... but who's going to do all that extra work? Who's going to make the extra tutorials and better docs?" Answer: your user community. Think about all the things a strong user community can do for you: tech support, user training, marketing (evangelism, word of mouth), third-party add-ons, even new product ideas. And that's not including any extra sales you might make on community/tribe items like t-shirts, stickers, and other gear."

—http://headrush.typepad.com, Kathy Sierra, User Community and ROI

WHOA! That crazy woman should know better than to be testing the masses with rebel shit like that, man! Silly woman to think she could just....just...just write about tech support all BOLD n all!

Well. None of this means I necessarily endorse an ethics code or something. I don't know. I'll have to read more and think on that angle of it. I am pretty much reacting to the condescending post I already quoted. Because honestly, bro. I just don't get how you can be so casually snide and dismissive of Ms. Sierra's story. And the only reason I comment on it is because you are a voice with a big platform. Which makes it all the more confusing to me that you would frame a potentially far-reaching response in such a way:

But so what? It's not as if those cowards will actually act on their threats. [...] Email makes it easy for stupid people to send stupid emails to public figures. If they can't handle a little heat in their email inbox, then really, they should try another line of work. "

—King Koz

(Um...is it George W. Bush who made it cool to stomp and whine like a ten year old when presented with an aspect of life that displeases you? I swear, almost every response I read from you on something where you disagree has the same pissy, whiny, "too bad you're just a tiny peon loser" tone.)

So your Highness: you are 100% sure (somehow) that these threats are empty. So sure you'll respond with utter contempt.

I just hope that if anyone in your life complains of fear of death threats that you don't take the same cavalier stance. I mean sometimes I need to learn the hard way. But some lessons we ought to do our best to avoid. Some fears we ought to give weight, even when we haven't felt them ourselves. Not always easy. Maybe confronted with something we don't understand it is easy to resist. I can grok that, trust me. But before one hops up on a gangly orange horse and one-note-jonnie-trumpets the Dillio, perhaps he ought to think about it. Talk it out with someone?

And "So what?" Okay, son. Here's the "so what":

It's the threat that leads you to a psychiatrist and tranquilizers just so you can sleep without repeating the endless loop of your death by:

* throat slitting
* hanging
* suffocation

and don't forget the sexual part...

I have cancelled all speaking engagements.

I am afraid to leave my yard.

—threats against bloggers are NOT "protected speech" (why I cancelled my ETech presentations)

I assume you read this.

Now, I can understand being confident in areas you have worked in or trained for or have spent much time mastering. I'm not against a bit of swagger, as long as you can laugh at yourself, too, when the time comes up. But Markos' tone? I simply do not understand such unabashed cockiness and derision in an area you can possibly know nothing about, in something you actually admit to be lacking experience of, something you prove with your own quoted emails, that you cannot relate to. Especially when it involves someone fearing for their life.

In fact, the King's tone reminds me of this comment left to Ms. Sierra by commenter "RealityCheck" on the very post where Ms. Sierra is talking about having psychiatric issues because she is that afraid that people are going to make real on the many sentiments they have been thrusting into her consciousness:

I am with Michelle Malkin in that it is no big deal and you are making it out to be a lot bigger than it is to get people to link to you.

I would recommend you get over yourself and stop imagining you are the center of the universe, get a thicker skin.

Posted by: RealityCheck | Mar 28, 2007 7:44:48 AM

"Get a thicker skin." "Find a new line of work." Interchangeable, eh? Is this the sentiment with which his Majesty wants to align himself and all his Works?

King Koz the "Progressive." It seems that in his progressive land, women ought to go and find a "new line of work" if they can't stomach a little talk about someone "slitting their throat" and then shooting "cum down their gob."

What gate is this cat crashing, anyway? I don't think it's one I need to be concerned with. He ain't goin' nowhere new.

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Comentarios (34)


Heraclitus (Jeff) dijo:

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This post is great, and using much more humor than I'm used to seeing in a lot of your other posts (though that may just be my impression). And, yeah, what was that email supposed to be? The guy was going to go push a stone wall on him (oh, excuse me, "let a stone wall fall." Weird that this guy is so hateful but can't bring himself to actually envision an act of violence rather than all sorts of unfortunate but agentless things happening to liberals.)? I think it's weird that Kos seems more upset at the people taking the death threats seriously (like, say, the police) rather than the people making them.


nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez dijo:

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what, i'm some kind of clown? what you mean i'm funny? am i here to fuckin amuse you? </goodfellas>

it was a really weird reaction to me. i hestitated over whether or not to even post on it...but for such a well-known and lauded "progressive," this has to be noted. to tell women to get over it or stop blogging...i mean here's what gets me, and i meant to post this:

While I'm happy the topic is being discussed so vigorously, the more my name and this post is brought up, the more abuse I get in email or other blogs--and now that my address has been posted... Yes, I should have known that when I posted, and had I known the firestorm that would be created, I probably would have stayed silent.

—Kathy Sierra

NO. Staying silent is not the answer. And staying silent is what posts like the Kings' are aiding. It reminds me of the schoolyard. "WHATSAMATTA? CAN'T YA TAKE IT? CRYBABY!"

We need to let those slimy keyboard-rapists know they can't shut sites down, shut women down, shut anyone down with their nasty threat-swarms. We need to help people stand up and be brave. Not insult them for being afraid, not encourage them to shrink and stay silent. That is not "progressive." That is not "crashing any gates." That is reinforcing the old gates and fences and walls.


Dan (Fitness) dijo:

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Thank God she didn't stay silent. The word oppression was literally created for this. Fear weighs down upon people's actions. Threats create fear. So in addition to the actual validity of some threats (the address example was what really brought it home for me), the very act of the threat is an assault.

It's the threat that leads you to a psychiatrist and tranquilizers just so you can sleep

How on earth could Kos have intentionally been dismissive of that kind of fear?
We need to help people stand up and be brave. Not insult them for being afraid, not encourage them to shrink and stay silent. That is not "progressive." That is not "crashing any gates." That is reinforcing the old gates and fences and walls.

You need to plaster that all over the internet.


erizzle dijo:

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great post. i'm glad you took this on. that dood never ceases to amaze me. i thought imus apologists were bad. they could learn from some of the kosycophants out there.

7 years ago a really drunk/methed out dood broke into my house. he was so messed in the head he thought it was his house. he was trying to kill his wife, and almost killed me instead. for a while (after the hospitalization), i collected dead-bolts and smoked too much grass. when i came through, it turned out to be one of the greatest things that could have happened to me. understanding personally what violence and the fear of it can do to a human being made me a better person. i wish i knew how others could learn what i did without having to live it.


natasha dijo:

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Nice when it isn't just women saying this. Thanks.


Heraclitus (Jeff) dijo:

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Yeah, exactly. By the way, when I read the first half or so of the first line I was like, "Oh, shit, I pissed him off!"


nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez dijo:

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i guess so much comes down to your own experience. but either way, nobody should dare denigrate a woman who says she CANNOT LEAVE HER YARD agh dont get me going again. really. i'm hoping he comes back and says 'whoa that was dumbass of me' so we can get on with this because i really am restraingin myself from saying a lot worse.


nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez dijo:

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Jeff, you're such a madman i don't even know what to say to that.


nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez dijo:

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yeah, i hear you natasha. but i not only have women in my life and familia, but i know what living with violence is like.

and writing this post is not just about women, of course. it's just about speaking up for what's right and what's wrong, i think.


Richard at Mexfiles dijo:

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Geeze, I feel sorry for Kos... he just never mastered the fine art of invective. I guess he never learned to put enough passion into his writing to really, really piss off the crazies. I used to be kinda proud of the "death threat of the week" I used to get when I was pissing off neo-Nazis (not that hard, really, when you're dealing with folks already batshit whacked in the head). They'd send me -- in loving detail -- an inventory of their weaponry and an update on their search for my home address (not that I didn't give them clues -- right across the street from the Mexican-American Navy Seal, and next door to the two bulldykes). I guess those counted as death threats (and the FBI sure thought they did), but I guess Kos just hasn't made it into the ranks of the worthy victims of right-wing fatwahs yet. Poor guy. He tries so hard, too.


belledame222 dijo:

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well, that was the other part of it as i understand--they DID find (and post) her address, and i think her Social Security number as well?

but hey, she should just suck it up, right?

i wonder if Kos counts some of R Mildred's more creatively hyperbolic rants about him as his "threats." personally i count them as highly amusing, which i am sure he and his would not whine AT ALL about, because they are not that sort of people, thick skinned souls that they are. stiff upper lip, rigid eyeballs, uncrooked hairline, etc.


nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez dijo:

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right, they posted her address and information and groovy photoshop horror-tributes to her. yet kos talks of some "stupid emails."

R Mildred? i don't know of her.


Yemev dijo:

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Is kos really so clueless that he doesn't understand the difference between that email and what's happened to other bloggers?

You know, a few days ago I was walking to the subway, and this middle aged guy was walking behind me. It was late and there was nobody else around. He came up so close that I could feel his body and his coat sticking in my back, and he whispered in my ear "That's right, walk a little bit slower." I'm sure kos would say it was stupid to be scared in that situation, the guy was just telling me I'm in his way and he wanted me to walk faster, even though he had the whole street to go around me. And maybe he was just being an ass and not threatening me or trying to scare me, I don't know. All I know is, at the time I was scared, I didn't know if what I was feeling behind me was a knife or a gun, I didn't know if I should run, I didn't know if I should speed up, slow down, take my chances confronting him not knowing if he was sticking a weapon in my back, what. And if experience is a guide, I've been grabbed on the street in the past by guys who tried to make me feel their penises. I mean, does kos have some kind of formula so we can all distinguish the dangerous from the merely poor in social skills when they're doing something that seems kind of messed up?


Auguste dijo:

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I am with Michelle Malkin in that it is no big deal and you are making it out to be a lot bigger than it is to get people to link to you.

Michelle Malkin says that threats are no big deal? MICHELLE MALKIN?

Sweet Chocolate Jesus.

(Am I allowed to repeat an epithet of my own coinage?)


nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez dijo:

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mmmmm chocolate jesus....


erizzle dijo:

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my experience was important to me because, i'm ashamed to say, feeling what others suffer and fear everyday made me realize what an unempathetic person i was. i don't think i was ever so bad that i'd deny the seriousness of death threats, but i certainly wouldn't have 'felt' them the way i do now. hearing this stuff really upsets me...because it should. it should really upset anyone.


Ben dijo:

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I see a connection between Kos's disregard of death threats and the Imus reveal. In both cases progressives (like the people who hawked their books on Imus knowing full well what a racist he is) who will happily disregard their values for cash or power. Not that this is by any means limited to progressives. In general the more powerful people get, the more willing they are to break with the values that made people rally to them in the first place.


smadin dijo:

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The guy was going to go push a stone wall on him (oh, excuse me, "let a stone wall fall." Weird that this guy is so hateful but can't bring himself to actually envision an act of violence rather than all sorts of unfortunate but agentless things happening to liberals.)?
I think that's actually a key observation. If the Taliban pushed a stone wall over to crush homosexuals, that's murder, but if they just let a stone wall fall and didn't stop it, that's not interfering with God's will. Subtracting human agency from acts of hate and violence is necessary to preserve the idea that the victims deserve what they get. Rapists just can't help themselves, when women dress "provocatively" — and women should know that, so clearly if they go out in public in anything revealing, they're asking for it. Homophobes can't help their (natural!) violent disgust at the idea of homosexuality, so it's Matthew Shepard's fault for being so flaming and shoving his homosexuality in their faces like that. Etc., etc., etc. — people who believe themselves to be righteous can't avoid the plain fact that the Bible says not to kill, but they can get around it by making it God's will, not human action.

I apologize for leaving this hanging like this, I'd like to develop it more, but I'm in a rush at the moment — I'll return to it later today, time permitting.


nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez dijo:

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Yemev...thats what I don't get. Kos lives in this world you do. He should know what women have to deal with. This is why I get irked when people try to use him as some kind of "latino" as if he affiliates with the Brown™ or with the underrepped or oppressed peoples. He does not. He thinks and acts, from what I see in examples like this, as a White Male. Typical one, no less.

--

muy interesante, smadin. please do come back and flesh that out.


nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez dijo:

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Ben, that last sentence is golden.


PseudoAdrienne dijo:

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"He should know what women have to deal with. [...]"

He knows what women and girls have to deal with everyday for having the audacity to venture out into public without an "owning male" present with them, or blogging about their opinions and philosophies without apology, and with pride. But he chooses to ignore, disparage, and even mock the plight that many woman and girls face at the hands of men who are sexist/misogynist, racist, hatefully homophobic, etc., because he (Markos) knows that as a male in a patriarchal society, he and douchebag males like him benefit from the constant insecurity and fear felt by women and girls. It keeps us dependent on men for "protection" (yeah, some protection), keeps us silent about our opinions, keeps us submissive, and keeps us from participating in matters of the public sphere. The motive behind his willful "cluelessness" is obvious. He's an all around sexist asshat. I feel sorry for his daughter.


Yolanda Carrington dijo:

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I don't read Kos or give a shit what he says, but his words carry a TON of weight. When he says shit like this, people listen. That's white male privilege in action. For Kos to be publicly dismissive of the real threats that so many writers and bloggers face is sheer arrogance. But who can has the power to hold him accountable?


rrp dijo:

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I linked over here from Wampum. Great post and yes, Markos is privilege in action. I don't think he lives in the same world as the rest of us. He's got his own bubble, his own filters, which is (imo) death for any progressive.

Thanks


Magniloquence dijo:

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Dude, seriously. This needed to be said. You, and Bitch, Ph.D are the voices of reason in this, it seems.

Well, some of the loudest voices, anyway.

This is just dumb. And illustrative of the massive MISSING THE POINT that goes on whenever someone is told to grow a thicker skin in response to criticism. Even if you're fragile, it is not your fault if someone hurts you. The thickness of your skin is not the issue; the knife at your neck is the issue. People should be accountable for their own bad behavior, not the behavior of people who want to hurt them.


R. Mildred dijo:

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One has to give Kosimandius credit for not saying "crashing the gates" at some point during this tantrum.

His whole political thought process is basically a matter of him figuring out who's rights he can give away this week - he's a solipsist, a narcissist and a skilled colonising paternalist, he thinks he's got some sort of manifest destiny over other people's rights and complaints, because only he knows what's good for people, and what's good for him is good for other people.


smadin dijo:

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Sorry I didn't get back to this yesterday after all, but maybe I can expand on my thoughts a bit now. Before I start, let me note that I can't necessarily back any of this up with citations, it's just one of the theories that's been gradually congealing in my mind of late, and I haven't tracked down where all its constituent pieces came from. Also, it could be totally wrong, or at best awfully muddled.

There's a natural human tendency, I think, to want to believe the world makes sense, and follows certain rules. We come up, from time to time, with provisional sets of rules — we've done this for all of history — that seem to fit how we think we observe the world working. These provisional sets of rules have taken the forms of religions, governments, science, etc. (science being perhaps the only instance where the idea of revising and altering the rules as new observations invalidate them is actually built in to the rules), and in all cases, the rules have been built around the necessarily biased and incomplete observations and understanding of the people who made them. So the Bible says, or has been interpreted to say, that homosexuality is a sin, and that women must be subservient to men, and that dark-skinned people are inferior to light-skinned people. Likewise, so science "proved" that homosexuality was a mental disorder, that women had smaller brains than men, and that based on the shapes of their skulls black people were lower on the evolutionary ladder than white people. I don't want to get off on too much of a tangent from my main point here — just to emphasize that we come up with what we think are The Rules Of The Universe, and fail to see that we've built our own prejudices into them.

Some, perhaps many people — I think this may correlate strongly with the "authoritarian personality" that's been under some discussion in the popular media since John Dean's book referred to it — are troubled (even terrified) of what might happen if The Rules were wrong. They can't imagine people successfully using their judgment in the absence of strict, coercive rules of behavior, and conclude that chaos and anarchy would be the only possible result. We can see this in the assumption of many religious people that atheism equals immorality; in Rick Santorum's assertion that Lawrence v. Texas set a precedent for "man on dog" sex; in the apocalyptic predictions that same-sex marriage will mean the end of civilization.

The Rules are necessary, so the possiblity that The Rules may be wrong cannot be admitted. And the surest way to shield The Rules from any intimation that they might be wrong is to assert their divine provenance. God's Rules, by definition, cannot be wrong, and if God has an interest in people following his rules, which — given the foregoing — we can safely assume he does, well, then woe betide anyone who should try to disobey.

The authoritarian Believer In The Rules, then, sees anything bad that happens to someone who disobeys The Rules as obviously being punishment from God — no matter whether there was a human agent involved, or who that agent was. You break God's Rules, God smacks you down, and after all he works in mysterious ways, so who knows just how he'll choose to do the smacking? But if it's God's punishment for breaking The Rules, and God just happened to have chosen some humans to enact the punishment, can the humans he chose really be said to have had any agency there? Can they rightly be considered responsible for the punishment? Clearly not, says the Believer. It's the victim's fault for breaking The Rules.

I don't know if all that is helpful at all, but I hope it exposes more of my thinking on this, anyway. Someday (in about six weeks, actually), I'll have the time to start going about setting my thoughts down in a more rigorous way.


belledame222 dijo:

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i don't care if it rains or freezes...


nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez dijo:

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word. jeje. when it it gonna be easter again!!?


belledame222 dijo:

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R Mildred

sadly i think most of her choicest rants against Kos are archived at Punkass Blog where she used to be, and i don't feel like looking 'em up right now.


nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez dijo:

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actually, she came by and commented (is it in this post, i do'nt know, like you, i'm lazy at the moment), and her blog is great. she seems to be a really incisive and funny blogginator. i'm planning on blogrolling her ass in a day or two. well, not her ass. for all i know, that could be a very dull addition to my blogroll. her blog, though, would look great on it.


Sylvia dijo:

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i'm planning on blogrolling her ass in a day or two. well, not her ass.

Men! Always with the minds on the asses! :-p

I wasn't surprised at all to see Kos act like a total asshole; I expected it earlier than it manifested. Whenever a woman goes on record to say "hey, people are harassing me; I need support," there's always going to be some prominent man telling the woman she needs to grow some balls. Without fail. This is one of those times where male privilege comes a-shinin' through, clear as a sunbeam.


nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez dijo:

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it will be the new term of desire in the future made of techie-clubgoers...deeee-amn, son. i'ma blogroll that azz... jeje. sorry! you're right. i'm a pig. but hey! i seem to remember a similar confession not toooo long ago?...and i don't know why i said "In a day or to," i guess i just meant whenever a pocket of time opens up when i'm not trying to craft bad jokes in my own comment threads.

yes...i'm learning the patterns, sylvia. racism and sexism seem to share many of the same methods by those who would suppress awareness of either.


bellatrys dijo:

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Gracias - The solidarity is much appreciated!

I also found your White Privilege checklists the other day, and found them to mirror very exactly the same male-superiority dynamic which we are seeing in this sitch with Markos and cohorts defending him, funny that, the patronizing "oh you're just overreacting, you silly little person, you" that the male supremacists use towards women is the same that white supremacists of the "benign" & "enlightened" sort use towards people whose ancestors came from further away from the Greenwich Line...


nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez dijo:

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Yes, bellatrys. Funny how those overlaps occur in privilege. But it makes them easier to spot after a while, which is very useful to those fending off the byproduct of such shitty attitudes.