I am glad the memorial is going up, but that "misdirected" shit grinds my gears. What are we supposed to carry away from that pronouncement? "Oh, if only they found the right NDNz and not taken the rage out on the women and babies..." It's so sickening.

Thanks for posting this. Over at our blog some "misdirected" Poof explained to us the "real" statistics of the Indian wars.

These idiots really chap my hide. As if rational explanations can temper the hideous murders. I am growing tired of exhibiting any patience what so ever.

well, we still get to see these massacres still happen in other countries by our ruling government (to get rid of 'heathenous' brown folk / its manifest destiny for the whole world)

Yeah, WTF? If they had killed men while they slept, it would have been properly "directed vengeance"?

Um settlers? So that's what those troops are doing in Iraq, settling.

And not a word in the schools about it.

But on the positive side native americans have more than repaid this debt by helping to ruin many thousands of soi-disant "lives" by feeding their gambling and tobacco addictions! puttin a couple crummy dozen smallpox-infested blankets like, totally to shame. rock on, los indios!

lamb cannon, i find your reasoning and statement gross and not worth a serious reply.

Lost lamb: tobacco and gambling are choices, regardless of addiction. Genocide is never a choice.

i'm sorry lamb cannon if i came off too harsh. it was first thing in the morning, and i find the tragedies represented by Sand Creek have not ended. and the indigenous are also very prone to addictions, and have been exploited and harmed by them, as well. so i dont see it as any even trade, or "repaying" for genocide. i don't see it that way at all. i hope you get me.

The Sand Creek Massacre was a retaliatory raid that hit the wrong encampment. Cheyenne and Arapaho warriors known as the "Dog Soldiers" had conducted a series of raids on ranches and farm houses near Denver, where they had murdered and mutilated white men, women and children. The Colorado militia stuck Black Kettle's camp rather than the Dog Soldiers, who were camped nearby. Actually, the Dog Soldier warriors were probably going back and forth between the two camps; there were fresh scalps hanging in the teepees at Sand Creek.

Relatively few Native Americans died in combat with Europeans. Native Americans actually killed more whites (9,156) than whites killed Native Americans (7,193). These figures include such infamous massacres as Fort Mims (where Creek Indians killed 500 white women, men and children), Sand Creek and Wounded Knee. In many, if not most, military campaigns that pitted Native Americans against Europeans, Native American tribes fought with as well as against the Europeans. Sometimes they made up the bulk of European forces. Infamous atrocities such as the Sand Creek Massacres pale in comparison to the massacres the tribes inflicted on one another, even after the European colonization of American was underway. For example, as the Lakota Sioux migrated from the Great Lakes area to the Black Hills, they attacked tribes that lay in their path. At one site, they murdered and mutilated 400 Arikara and Mandan men, women and children at a site near the Missouri.

Chivington was court martialed after the Sand Creek raid but couldn't be punished because of a blanket amnesty covering all forces engaged in the Civil War. The amnesty was actually passed to cover engagements between Union and Confederate forces.

I don't really care if it was a pizza-delivering raid. They moved on a white flag, and on an American Flag. They were vicious and killed by hand many women and children. That is not a "whoops" thing, my friend. That is bloody slaughter of an inhuman kind.

And as far as whether or not "Infamous atrocities such as the Sand Creek Massacres pale in comparison to the massacres the tribes inflicted on one another," is of no relevance to the native's plight at the hands of invaders from another land come to steal their dignity and lives.

Tizoc: "its manifest destiny for the whole world"

I have the same impression. What has changed?

Statistics? You want statistics? You think 150 was a large massacre? Nezua is being kind by posting such a small mass-murder. I don't know how western whites count these things, but here in the east, we have statistics up the ass for what we've done. The Trail of Tears is just one well-known story out of what must be hundreds east of the Mississippi.

Here's a short, moderately pro-white-biased account of one of the more famous Eastern mass-murders. I found these 'statistics' in 10 seconds on Google.

"About 4000 Cherokee died as a result of the removal."