Mao hated America and cited the same reasons. what's most ironic to me is the fact that, when Mao and Hitler were making their observatios on America, they had a better understanding of America than most Americans.

wow, mindblowing, but i am not surprised. thanks for this information.

if only this type of stuff was taught in history courses in k-12 and in higher education. accurate historical curricula is super important. thanks for posting this...[re-lurks]

He had many supporters among the elite, one of whose sons now reigns. And so the nazi disease continues.

Plus, I got this from Naj an iranian blogger at http://iranfacts.blogspot.com/
Adolf Hitler:
“The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed the subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty.”

Yeah. Chilling, but true facts.

Eric, this is one slice of history that will NEVER been taught in American schools. What good decent American could stand learning that his beloved "Land of the Free" was the model for the Third Reich?

The Wikipedia article and Hidari's post are both really fascinating, and not at all surprising.

I would just like to add a little qualification to what Yolanda wrote: I agree that the influence of the American social/racial situation on Hitler is exactly the kind of information that the American version of history would suppress, and for the same reason as you. But the origins of the Third Reich are far too complex to be reduced to a single model. It's ok to be sensitive to the complexities of history (as the author of the Wikipedia article, and Hidari seem to have been) and still to be angry about the suppression and distortion of the truth. Insinuating that the US was THE MODEL for the Third Reich is just another distortion, one of which we should be equally wary.

thanks for the thoughts, RobP. i would take issue with one or two things, though.

the influence of the American social/racial situation on Hitler is exactly the kind of information that the American version of history would suppress, and for the same reason as you.

are you directing this to me? because for myself i have no idea what you mean. i am for telling the children the truth, just like the dedication in my first book states, a quote i lifted from mister marley. i would not suppress any history. that is the direct way to not progress or learn from our species' mistakes and triumphs. the truth must be told. i am not sure where you get the idea that i would suppress information...in fact, one of the major themes in this blog is that i was fed (and children are fed) a steady stream of propagandizing disinformation in schools, in fact that that is one of the reasons for schools as they stand (i doubt consciously, but functionally). so in fact, you are exactly wrong on this count.

Insinuating that the US was THE MODEL for the Third Reich is just another distortion

true. but given not telling learning children about hitler's clear admiration for america's worst mistakes and policies (to my mind) is far more of a distortion and a danger than pretending we are polar opposites.

so i agree that from what i read above, America was not THE model. but again, from what i glean at least from these sources i've quoted is that hitler greatly admired many racist and inhuman practices that America has embodied from time to time, and saw fit to model his own hateful murderous actions, at least in part, upon them.

I'm very glad to have had a good history class once in my life. One that actually mentioned American isolationism, and wasn't afraid to frighten students with some of the truth about our supposed great heroes' actual motives. Not that it told me everything of course, but I distinctly remember being afraid to read that textbook because it told me that people I'd been taught to see as heroes really weren't most of the time.

that's kickass, trin. was it high school?

Yes. It was an advanced placement history class. Which is problematic in itself--apparently only the brainy kids can handle the revelation that our history has often been ugly and creepy.

I should clarify what I wrote earlier:

"I agree that the influence of the American social/racial situation on Hitler is exactly the kind of information that the American version of history would suppress, and for the same reason as you."

I should know by now that sarcasm isn't transmitted easily over the internet. By this I was trying to show that I do not find it surprising that the "American version of history" (an entity that seems to follow its own rules about what facts to suppress and distort) would suppress a fact such as America's influence on Hitler. We all know that the "American version of history" is built on these kinds of lies and suppressions. And I was agreeing with what Yolanda wrote: that American schools would never publicize this fact of history because it tends to subscribe to the "American version of history."

Trin: I would love to get my hands on a high school history textbook that tried to correct these kinds of lies. Do you by chance still know the name/author? :)

Well, I did learn that Hitler modeled some aspects of his regime by extrapolating aspects of policies in use in the US, and I learned it in High School some 30 years ago. "My Struggle", by Hitler, was on the reading list, and our teacher was a fine old dude who flew with the Flying Tigers in WW2.

I think you will find that all people of all cultures act in similar ways if given the chance. Vietnam was conqured by China and sinofied, the kingdoms of southeast asia spent most of their lives invading and eliminating their neighbors; Peru and Chile stole Bolivia's seaboard for living space; the Turks, conqured killed and islamified the people of Constantinople the Balkins and Spain; Native Americans totaly eliminated the original inhabitants of South America - an Austral-Asian race, and executed vikings because of their race; the Japanese conducted a race war against China, killing tens of millions; the czars of Russia put jews in concentration "villiages" long before the US had any of the policies Hitler "borrowed"; and on and on and on.

History has shown that we can stop this madness only through planetary suicide...which is sort of like doing what Hitler did - to ourselves.

hi, ayohami.

History has shown that we can stop this madness only through planetary suicide

this may be something one can infer from these historical facts. but if we hold no hope that we can be better and wiser than our antepasados, what point is there in living? and a person may as well kill themselves now if life is simply the manifestation of a lack of courage to end it early. after all, if one has no hope of being better than those who came before him, and lives simply to let the days play out, then even his greatest pride is naught but "virtue born of fear," as nietzsche worded it.

irrational as it may be (and i would tend to agree that it is not unlikely that the effort is a virtually impossible one) one has to hope. one has to try, in their own life to be both more actualized than history, and certainly more than a government. at least this is what i choose.

your teacher did expose you to some good truth. i hope it brought more than despair to learn so much.

You are all nuts, you know very well that hitler hated everything about America, just as he hated everything the catholic church stood for.
What he noticed was that the methods used by America and the Catholic Church worked and so he used their methods---"against them"!
This time it was not some non-white race like the Native Americans who were to find themselves in concentration camps, it was the very people who invented these instruments who were being captured by Japanese (Hitler's "Honerary Aryan" ally).

Now it was White Men from England and America who were being persecuted so I don't see how they were Mexicans, on the contary Germany almost succeeded in getting Mexicans their land back in WWI.

Germany has always been the only Aryan people who have shown respect to non-white peoples both before, during, and after Hitler.
Infact they are probably the "only good white people".

The Japanese were supossedly racist towards fellow asians but what difference does it make, China did the same shit when they ruled Asia, would that have justifed masess of Asians supporting the English (and their opium trade)simply becuase they had a bad experience with their own racial comrads.

The fact is that the White Man always used the same strategy when conquering (setting people of the same race against one another!)

If only the our native american brothers had not listend to the "so-called higher morals" of the the Christian-capitalist whites and actually united we would have beaten them.

The same goes for Asians, I still thing Asia would have been better off under Japanese control than under the unstable influences of the West.

The problem is that people do not want to sacrifice for the future.

China was already ripe for anarchy when the Japanese imposed their occupation on them, mabey if Asians had supported the Japs Asia would not have been in a place where they had to go to Marxism which has exterminated more people than both Nazism and Japanese Imperialism.

As Usual the Anglo-Saxons must first give you the disease before they offer you the cure to the very disease which they gave you.

Now the British Empire was purely a unnatural Empire of White Supremesy in the sense that they just looked to dominate every inch of the globe, to spread their Empire so that it reached every race, and this is why their Empire collapsed, because it had not taken natural laws into account.
The British Empire claimed to preserve culture and order but realy did more culture distrupting that culture creating let alone cultureal preserving.
Instead they enslaved the other cultures and explioted their living space given to them by mother nature herself and thus raped the planet and it's children.

The Japanese also oversteped their bounds, but they still justified it by reflecting the fact that Asia was on the verge of collapse not becuase of Asian inferiority but because of Western (White man) interloping.

The White Man believed he had a burden to save everyone else but in many cases he in fact destroyed the greatest qualities his subject possessed.

Thus China had become unstable as a consequence of the White Man's interference, then once the instability reached a level where Chinamen were getting poorer and the White Man was getting richer along came the message of Karl Marx!
Another White Man with a new solution!

Once the colored masses realize that Marxism is yet another trick set forth to play into the game of the white race's dream of world domination they will reject this "highly moral philosophy" that is meant to exist on a planet different from our own just as they eventually rejected Christianity with it's "salvation of every nation"=dominion by the nation who engages in this mission.

This is why Communism and Christianity cannot camouflage the organic, because the race is organic. People try to hide behind all kinds of things: religion, ideology, nationalities in the end when one group believes they have been entrusted with a mission to "save" or "liberate" others whether through religious-capitalistic wars or communist "revolutions" if a race takes on this faith, even if it genuinely wishes to be international and serve and save others runs the risk and heavy temptation to become masters of others especially when they come across a race that they just do not relate to or just simply hate.

Anyway Japan knew much more about Asian culture than the Westerners and so it is sad that the Japanese used such immoral methods of conquest but if the White Man had not banrupted China for hundreds of years the Japanese would have had absolutly no justification for conquering Asia; but becuase Asia's former leader (China) was so weak that it could not even fight capitalist whites let alone look after all of Asia I think the Japanese had to take over where China had fallen.
Anyway I have herd enough of those lies about Hitler, Asia, and Native Americans.

It is ALL ENEMY PROPOGANDA!

They have enslaved us so long that we forget the past and ourselves, that is the great talent of our enemy.

It is our weakness that makes the pale-faced devil triumph!

Hitler fought my enemy to his last breath and his personal conversations prove that he was no lover of America but was willing to use the methods that had made America win.

That was his only intrest in this monster.
Otherwise he had much more in comon with red peoples than with his fellow whites and if he wanted to make all white people like him than it would be the best blessing this planet has seen in thousands of years.

Instead we have to deal with a force that has no revereance for life and is exterminating every race of humanity and every specie of life as we now speak!

To fucking bad Germany lost.

wow. that must have taken a while to type.

Chancellor Hitler.

He had good ideas, that were mostly answers to what Deutschland needed in his days : to stop paying France millions upon millions in a yearly basis just because they sign a treaty in Versailles , when the whole German Army wasn't even in Germany's soil . They feel like betrayed; then it comes the Depression period, on top of those payments; and France invade the Rhur and fired german workers there, out of greediness. Those were harsh times, and also the whole affair was unjust upon Germany, but French people didn't pardon easily, and the sweet money out of Germany was a candy for them.

But that is History, now. Hitler is dead, Communism dies, and Capitalist & Consumerism reigns, thanks to the Allies. The Allies had the FMI and lend money to live for ever after receiving money with interest rates. Sweet money out of half the world, and it is a candy for them.

Seems the differences between the Allied powers of the WW1 and WW2 are minimal. Hitler appears like the one who pretends to cut the bridles , and the Allies crushed on them, no matter if they ,for that matter, get alliances with the CCCPP Russian comunist government (Stalin)and backed them up with money, arms and food . They had no morals to preach morals. But they did fight to mantain their ecconomical status going on. We can see that they are doing so now, to obtain cheap petrol , and didn't care about the ideas of the rest of the nations.

Things will keep on being like this while this superpowers exists. There is little hope of a world ecconomy based on humanity and the preservation of eccology . Money is the driving instinct of the Superpowers, now, and each country with big natural resources must be afraid of to be in the future list of saved countries.

I just wanted to say that this was a great aid in my term Paper on Hitler and WWII... and just for everyones knowledge... and a few posts i saw... THE TWENTIETH CENTURY WORLD AND BEYOND. By WIlliam R. Keylor. Speaks on the similar points of how Germany idolized all of the Allied powers and how they rose to power.

2 good sources of alternative American history, for those who do n ot know these titles.

Highly recommended:

'Lies My Teacher Told Me' by James W. Loewen
and
'A People's History of the United States' by Howard Zinn