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3 de Mayo, 2007

The Right of Peaceful Assembly. Gone.

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img THERE IS NO RIGHT TO PEACEFUL ASSEMBLY IN AMERICA. There were signs earlier, it's true. But now it can be said to be official. File this along with what you read on blogs about habeas corpus and wiretapping, this latest display of contempt for our rights: here is a clear example of excessive use of police force, of tyranny by weaponry, of unwarranted police aggression, assault and battery—on women, children, and citizens alike. The police issue their typical statements about investigations and being upset, but give it a month (when the results of thier "internal report" is due and we've seen how these turn out time and time again) and it doesn't matter anyway. They have done what they wanted, made their mark, instilled fear. And despite what they say, they didn't do this because some people stepped off the sidewalk, bullshit. We know why the cops were there and in such gear, and with such attitudes and agendas. The government fears the numbers they saw last year on the Mayday marches of 2006. In 2006 we actually showed, lived out, demonstrated the Power of the People, and it scared the living shit out of our keepers. Because America is only about the Power of the People in word. That's advertising to keep us defending our jailers, paying our taxes, and joining the grinder military. America is really about the Power of the Few. And the Power of the Gun. And the Power of the Dollar. And the Power of the Lie.

So this year not only did the press keep very quiet about the May Day marches (as if they wouldn't be important to report on in context of all the ICE raids since, if nothing else!), but the city of LA—a city infamous for their brutal and lawless police—sent out their goons in riot gear to chase Americans out of a public park and fire weapons at them, disregarding the children, of all things.

I was over on the Southern side of Macarthur park and I saw the police move in on the park, shooting non lethal weaponry, tear gas guns openly into a crowd of women and children, unarmed women and children, unarmed men...this was a peaceful demonstration, the police showed up here and turned it into a violent demonstration.

—L.A. man at MacArthur park [YouTube vid below]

We got a right to be here. Fuck this running shit! This is how they got us all scared. Nobody wants to stand their fucking ground.

—L.A. Woman at MacArthur park [YouTube vid below]

I know what these cops do. I've seen it. They flood the area with hostile, armed men looking for a fight. Ordered to have a fight. I've lived it. I've seen their faces up close, seen them snarl at requests for help or aid, seen them grab girls by the hair, seen them stomp on instruments just to watch them crumple. They are sadists. I can't speak for their life or totality of spirit, but once they are in those uniforms, they are pure sadists. Once you send in these numbers armed in riot gear, you are sending in bullies to begin a fight. You are free to disagree, but you will not convince me, because my life has not only spun out in front of a computer monitor or TV screen, you see.

Basically everyone is out of the park, and they are still firing.

—Narrator of video taken at May Day 2007 police action [below]

A naked display of violence acted out upon the powerless by the power-holders in violation with the bedrock of our codified "rights," and today the blogs and news sites discuss Republican debates, TV-shapes, and one of the many wars we started overseas. Wars started in the name of preserving our Freedoms and Laws. Which were, yesterday, mocked and made irrelevant. They will excuse endangering lives and causing blind panic to break out and military type formations of tear gassing, rubber bullet firing battallions because people "stepped off the sidewalk." We know what this means. It's like when someone walks into a bar or a gathering of other people and insults and pushes around people until he gets them to glare or raise a hand or stand up. Then the bully gleefully engages in the fight they wanted so badly the whole time. The one they lacked the courage to outright state was their goal. It's what I call the "Rio Grande" method of beat-down, for my own reasons.

Oye: Fuck the police and thier terrorist tactics. Yes, I am very pissed off. Maybe I have enough for both of us. Dunno. But it shouldn't work that way. I hope once you watch the video below, you will join me a bit. There is a huge and egregious violation of our most dear rights being mocked here, the Constitution itself made a joke. Yes, it is made a joke on brown people. But not only have laws been violated, but basic human morality has been completely disregarded, and our National Media has said what? Nada? Just passed along the cops' lawyer's words? That they are investigating to determine IF excessive forced was used? Watch the video! People fleeing in terror, as if an invading army has stormed the streets in black riot gear and is firing tear gas and hard, rubber bullets into the crowd! Because it is, and they are! Rubber bullets fired on crowds where women and children are? And innocent men, let's not forget! We have the right to peaceful assembly, too! By birth, let alone the "Goddamned Piece of Paper!" Pardon me garçon but WHAT THE FUCK is WRONG with you people, you so-called "Fourth Estate? Has all the People® magazine, and I Can't Believe It's Not Butter and American Idol, and polyethylene glycol wiped the very essence of your molecules out, churned them into pixels that respond to whatever thugs pronounce? How can you claim any "America" and "American ideals" and "American freedoms" and NOT be enraged at this? What if that woman was your MOTHER? They are people's mothers!!!!

But yeah—the press and cops are counting on Average Americans not to care because they will tout the gathering and the abuse as nothing more than ALIENZ being corralled. And who cares about ALIENZ????

And you think this doesn't apply to you? Do you, then, silently give up your right to assemble in great numbers? Because that's what this is about. Power of the People. Numbers that freaked out the old white men in Washington. They don't want to see us in numbers, and they don't want us to feel empowered. But they don't want that for any of us! Brown, black, or white! They want us all living in fear. Always in fear. And when the rhetoric fails to corral us, the violence is loosed. This is the same tactics they used on us in NYC, on the RNC 1800. Same marching lines, same "sidewalk" terminology, same mass attack that ignored your actual complicity in any crime.

They are testing themselves out, flexing their crowd-assault/control, practicing on us like the USA Military tests new weapons each time they bomb, and horrors like Shock And Awe become corpse-littered gleeful practice ranges for the white-hearted men in the halls of American power.

Another way to say all of this is that if the rhetoric of superiority works to maintain the entitlement, hatred and direct physical force remains underground. But when that rhetoric begins to fail, force and hatred waits in the wings, ready to explode.

The Culture of Make Believe, Derrick Jensen

Isn't it interesting what happens to those who speak truth to power and remind the people where the power truly lies—in themselves? To those who preach unity and love? Why are those who live this, show this unity, demonstrate the awareness of this locus of power always gunned down, shot, strung up, crucified? Why are they always answered with violence? Because in the void of truth and reason thrives violence. Today we see the forces of control still hate the Power of the People, and the "goddamned piece of paper," the Constitution. We see they operate in a void of reason, and now live in a new post-9/11 fear-based mentality. A place where there is no room for reason or quaint documents.

They are not following constitution law, they are totally taking away our unalienable human rights...women...children, i mean would they do this to their own mother? to their own little sister? terrorize? They put on the uniform and think everyone is bad."

—U.S. Citizen at LA Park, May 1, 2007

People talk to me about not holding troops personally responsible for their actions. But do we then forgive police when they shoot at us, en masse, for no reason? When they teargas us because we peacefully fill a public park? They were, after all, clearly acting on orders. Police do not organize like that on a whim, or off-the-clock. So do we say they had the right? Of course some heartless and mindless maniacs on the far right are bound to justify this. Just as the chuckling, budding, Police State prefers. It will always have its defenders, acting freely on their own will and hate. Always those sad humans who think they are speaking out and making themselves stronger, not seeing the walls close in around them as they cheer.

What happened to our peaceful right to assembly? Curious? We do not have this right. If you are a teacher, don't you be lying to your classes. We do not have it. In fact—and I've known this since I was 16, learned it firsthand and have had it reinforced multiple times since—you have whatever right the cops feel like giving you at any given moment. And that, my friends, is ALL. Don't you be a naïve subject.

Here, what rights did the mothers have who could not run fast? What rights did babies or kids with respiratory issues have when the tear gas settled? what rights did the humans have who were shot at, point-blank, with huge, hard, rubber projectiles? No, the only "right" la chota gives these people is the right to run away in terror. The cops march in a tight line through the very streets of the city, as if it is a war zone, as if people were rioting, when it was these pigs themselves who brought the violence, the black-masked, stick-handed violence. They fire rubber bullets right in public, right on public streets, randomly into the terrified crowds. They attempt to hem in the people so they can mass-arrest them, or mass-attack them. For what? Tell me again? For what?

For gathering in a park. And for being brown and loud and present in great numbers.

They are making the people work for miserable wages and then on top of that they come here and fucking oppress them.

Man at MacArthur park, May Day 2007 [YouTube vid below]

One day this shit isn't gonna be people running. And one day they are gonna come prepared for the police to come.

Woman at MacArthur park, May Day 2007 [YouTube vid below]

But you will not stop us, O ancient force of force and oppression and hate and "racism." Now, again, you come. For the people. With your weaponry. That we paid for. You tiny, scared men.

Little kids are hitting the floor, bleeding, and then cops fucking shooting!....

Man at MacArthur park, May Day 2007 [YouTube vid below]

Remember Brad Will! Remember MLK! Remember the old dream of America—if you must think Like an American—the good parts of it. Remember that there are MANY more of us than them. We will need to keep this in mind one day soon, I fear. Unless we're happy with less and less and less freedoms. You gun lovers think you are safe in your home with your "right to bear arms"? You radical libertarian types think you will be safe with your collection of rifles when the Federal government drops down martial law? No, you are not. We saw in New Orleans what happened to people. The military swooped in and took away everyone's guns. Constituationally guaranteed or otherwise. You are not protected by any document. Our government knows this. They redact it at will.

Remember we have asked how so few could control and harm so many! We've asked it before! We are moving there now. They will act again, in different ways. Time and time again, chipping away at everything. Until all the talk of American Freedom is a joke to every single country and person but us, here, still living smiling and wrapped tight with the binding and blinding gloss of marketing, packaging, State propaganda, until it is only you, and your movement has been curtailed to such a tiny space you are doing jumping jacks in front of a telecreen and fearing your eyes will give away your thoughts. [Metaphor alert, trolls.]

What happens if we begin showing up at peaceful assemblies with padding under our clothes? Or football facemasks? Will they then outlaw football facemasks? Or would they then fire real bullets? I think you know my guess.

And how did this happen again? because of what, again? What caused platoons of police in riot gear to begin making war on people in public American streets and parks?

The Brown™ dared take the Constitution literally, as if it applied to us. The average person dared think they were safe from American police tyranny in 2007 in a public place exercising Constitutional rights. That was the first mistake.

What made the cops think they could get away with it? Because they know the American Media very well. And they remember all the times they get away with police brutality.

What I think is funny about this is its like the working class people pitted against the working class cops. It's just an irony that like...its a system of oppression, and when you have a fascist state...and it works. You keep people in fear and you can keep them from rising up.

They are concerned with this, these days. Because they have big plans, you know. And they don't know at what point it will be, but they know at some point, instinct will kick in and Americans will resist.

Add up the recent years, the unreported Halliburton prisons, the way they habituate the public to mass arrests and detentions, the police actions like this and the RNC mass arrests, the troops on the ground in Katrina, the loss of the Posse Comatitus protection, the Decider making clear his philosophy and hunger. Keep telling yourself they are isolated incidents. Keep thinking small. You may, one day, need to economize your range of motion.


update: Reader RickB points the way to this last video, the News take on it, from a Fox affiliate station, no less. Watcha. Even the female camera operators reporting the news and the reporters themselves get beat down by the cops. Now what ya say? Are they strange Newscast-ey Alienz? Shapeshifters perhaps? Dangerous Alien Wimmenz assuming the guise of Constitutionally-protected Americans? Good thing we have so many well-armed thugs to protect us from the scourge from outer space.


update 2: In lieu of my blog showing trackbacks, here is a link to artist and amigo Clinton Fein's SFGate blog post on this post.

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Comentarios (41)


Rafael dijo:

GRVTR

Been the sort of historical geek that I am I wonder if MacArthur Park is not named after the famous (and infamous) Gen. MacArthur:

Troops carrying rifles with unsheathed bayonets and tear gas were sent into the Bonus Army's camps. President Hoover did not want the army to march across the Anacostia River into the protesters' largest encampment, but Douglas MacArthur felt this was a communist attempt to overthrow the government and thus exceeded his authority. Hundreds of veterans were injured, several were killed, including William Hushka and Eric Carlson, a wife of a veteran miscarried, and other casualties were inflicted. The visual image of U.S. armed soldiers confronting poor veterans of the recent Great War set the stage for Veteran relief and eventually the Veterans Administration.

By the end of the rout:

* Two veterans were shot and killed.
* An 11 week old baby was in critical condition resulting from shock from gas exposure.
* Two infants died from gas asphyxiation.
* An 11 year old boy was partially blinded by tear gas.
* One bystander was shot in the shoulder.
* One veteran's ear was severed by a Cavalry saber.
* One veteran was stabbed in the hip with a bayonet.
* At least twelve police were injured by the veterans.
* Over 1,000 men, women, and children were exposed to the tear gas, including police, reporters, residents of Washington D.C., and ambulance drivers.

The army burned down the Bonus Army's tents and shacks, although some reports claim that to spite the government, which had provided much of the shelter in the camp, some veterans torched their own camp dwellings before the troops could set upon the camp. Reports of U.S. soldiers marching against their peers did not help Hoover's re-election efforts; neither did his open opposition to the Bonus Bill due to financial concerns. After the inauguration of Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1933, some of the Bonus Army regrouped in Washington to restate its claims to the new President.

From the Wikipedia article on the "Bonus Army" a WWI veterans march on Washington D.C. in 1932.


sigmund, carl and alfred dijo:

GRVTR

The images we saw on the news disturbed me too. Unless the cops were really under assault, they over reacted.

Now, were you so upset when anti globalization rioters went berserk in Seattle or Quebec City? Clearly, they were not exercising 'peaceful assembly.' Or is some violence more acceptable than others?

Lastly, the police answer to and reflect the policies of the mayor of LA, Antonio Villaraigosa. Why haven't you excoriated him, or the Democrat machine of Los Angeles?


nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez dijo:

GRVTR

there is no "unless." nor did the police "overreact." they acted just as they wanted and chose to act.

no, i was not as upset in your examples. i was not following them as closely, thank you for pointing these out, i will take a look when i have a bit of time. and you cannot justify the violence the LAPD displayed, no matter how many other articles or incidents you reference. and i will not jump off into discussing violence in the abstract with your textbook Ethics and Morals 101 question.

in answer to your last question, as a matter of practical reality and human potential, i have not done all things i may yet do. so i may excoriate many others. but as my links and general themes relate, i hold each person—as does the principle that birthed the decisions of the Nuremberg trials—each police officer responsible. that is why i target them in this post. this is also made clear in this post. i would prefer not to re-explain obvious points i took the time to illustrate in my post. can we avoid that?

you spend a bulk of your time here avoiding looking at the police violence, save for a cursory intro line, or the rights of Americans being negated. it is telling, and sad.


Sylvia dijo:

GRVTR

Dugg.

Trackback.

Well-stated and so brutally and viscerally true.


RickB dijo:

GRVTR

according to this clip
the cops after stopping MSM journos from filming said-double time, it's tussle time-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFdNkXJMH9A
and hey wingnuts, this a fox news affiliate.


nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez dijo:

GRVTR

Yes...even doing its best to paint the entire event as instigated by a group of individuals, dropping in those few lines feels out of place and seems pathetic as a justifier for what follows. And unleashing random violence even on the Press, telling them they are forbidden to film, and beating them up just a few feet from their own van? So how many can we scratch off the Bill of Rights today?

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thanks sylvia!


RickB dijo:

GRVTR

Yes the opener about the cops being goaded is standard MSM stuff, there has never been a police attack reported that didn't start with some such phrase. But the intent to shut down the cameras was clearly a tactic to remove records of their actions, I would bet it is taught at riot training, if not explictly but a nod and a wink. I remember a barrister saying to me you should see a jury when the police testify, their eyes glaze over and it's as if God himself were speaking to them the unadulterated truth. Cops know that and that's why they always try and create a simple our word against yours scenario, but as that post of yours a while back said-this camera kills fascists-.


Jena dijo:

GRVTR

Apalling! Absolutely unacceptable. The military and police in this country encourage pathological violence in their membership. I think most of them are them are sociopaths, and the rest just goosestep along. Pedro Sevcec of Telemundo got a rifle to the head in that shit! A complete shame and embarassment in front of the world.


Magniloquencce dijo:

GRVTR

Seriously.

I just don't even know what to say any more. It's so stupid. Fear and violence and othering and this relentless pressure to Be! Scared! because the Scary! People! Are! Everywhere!... and then all of a sudden children look like threats, babies look like targets, and newspeople doing their jobs look like invaders. Stupid, stupid, stupid.


brownfemipower dijo:

GRVTR

powerful post nez---


brownfemipower dijo:

GRVTR

we're both thinking the same type thing--I just posted something without seeing this--the only thing I would disagree with is that there was *ever* right to assemble...


nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez dijo:

GRVTR

you may be right, bfp. they tear the illusions down one by one, i guess. and yet, business as usual to much of the media so far. blogwise, too.

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and great post, magniloquence.


Magniloquencce dijo:

GRVTR

Heh, thank you Nezua. Couldn't have written it without you (and BFP, and XP) for the things I just don't know.

I do wonder at the silence, though. Surely this is as big a symptom of Our Glorious Leader Commander Dude's failures as his latest neologism, yes? Where is everyone in left bloglandia?


Rafael dijo:

GRVTR

I take it Messrs. Sigmund has never been in a situation like this, provocation or not, you arrest the guy that attack you, not go after women and children. I've been a situation like this (once years ago large holiday celebration) and the fear and panic are horrendous, plus seen young women and children beaten for no reason other than because they where in the way, within reach of the baton is no excuse. These where not anarchist street battles or police putting down a city wide riot, this was an attack, by the police on the very citizens they are supposed to "Serve & Protect".


nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez dijo:

GRVTR

Magniloquence, I sure see it that way. At least BradBlog has been on it since last night, I think.


Magniloquencce dijo:

GRVTR

Well, at least someone is on it. *sighs* It's a start.

But thanks for the link. I hadn't heard of BradBlog before now.


Magniloquencce dijo:

GRVTR

Ooh, ow. Then again, after reading the comments there, I kind of wish I hadn't heard of it.


Marisacat dijo:

GRVTR

Thanks for this post- fantastic commentary... and thanks for the extra videos...

Marisacat


RickB dijo:

GRVTR

Hey everyone check this-
"Only days before officials will decide if Los Angeles Police Chief William J. Bratton deserves a second term"-
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-bratton3may03,0,2598461.story?coll=la-home-headlines
That's why he's trying to get out ahead of this, his job could be in jeopardy, if people demand it...


Donna Darko dijo:

GRVTR

EXACTLY.

The videos are reminiscent of when I was in your neck of the woods, Miami, during the FTAA protest. Friends were shot with rubber bullets. One was shot in the temple and could have died. A few were jailed.

They planned this attack months ago.


Alice Bag dijo:

GRVTR

Thank you for taking the time to post all of this critical information. We have got to shake people up and let everyone know what is happening to this country.


nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez dijo:

GRVTR

thank you, marisa and alice. i feel sick over it. it feels like when they were rounding up kids for Hutto. just gross and wrong. and yet, totally acceptable to most. wtf.


lovelesscynic dijo:

GRVTR

I'm pretty cut off from current events where I live (and I have no TV), so thanks a lot for this post. It's given me a lot to think about.

Looking at the videos, it's pretty unclear how what the police are doing contributes to protecting people's safety, and that's supposed to be their job isn't it?

And as you so rightly point out, we do, in theory, have the right of peaceful assembly. So I'm not entirely sure how the police justify ordering everyone out of the park. I guess maybe they feel like they don't really need to justify it.


Trin dijo:

GRVTR

thanks nez. linked.

gods does this make me siiiiiiickkkkkkkkkk


Donna Darko dijo:

GRVTR

This doesn't scare me. They could at least be original. They used the same tactics in Miami. Look familiar?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qTJwEz7U3A

A friend shot this video in which is is shot in the head. Another friend (in white shirt and black backpack) is holding a sign (it said Free Trade Hurts Women and the Environment):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGeaGgk-m18



Zaecus dijo:

GRVTR

Dammit.

Can you do me a favor?

Can you tell me why we should even bother; why this country/civilization/world isn't a complete write-off at this point?


Anthony Kennerson dijo:

GRVTR

Yup...this is "democracy" in action....in typical LAPD/Bush/Gropenator/Giuliani style.

I can just hear the reaction from the freepers right now: "Oh, but they used "non-lethal" weapons (that still can maim and kill, though), and those damn spics baited those fine protectors by using children as human shields....and since they are all here illegally anyway, they doen't deserve the protection that "real" citizens do...and they should be lucky that the police didn't go to lice ammo and armored tanks (now that would be a show) to put these losers down...a typical case of NHI ("no humans involved"), nothing to see here. Run along."

Darrell Gates and Mark Furman may be gone, but their spirit lives on even today. Whether it be against Black folk, Brown folk, or women.

Anyone for a real revolution??? Can we clone Hugo Chavez and send him here??


Anthony


xtimu dijo:

GRVTR

this is utterly chilling. i remember when police were called "peace officers" now they themselves use the more militarized "law enforcement". Those 'laws' allow them to do this & they bring it to the people. Your writing is powerful like a strong dose of smelling salts. I'm waking up. Thank you for all the effort you put into it.


Donna Darko dijo:

GRVTR

For all the haters out there, the pigs do the exact same thing to WHITE PROTESTERS. The police in the beginning of the following video said as long as the demonstrators are peaceful, they can demonstrate. Look at the 2:00 mark in this 2003 Miami video where the line moves forward FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER and starts shooting, spraying and hitting people. FTAA was mostly white college kids and older white union members. In both LA and Miami, a small band of WHITE anarchists started the melee.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=180762825127822704


nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez dijo:

GRVTR

mil gracias, xtimu.

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an important point to make, Donna. thank you.


Daryn Moerike dijo:

GRVTR

You are contagion. Just because you breed like flies does not give you the right to invade America in an attempt to drag it down to your level. You third-worlders need to learn something. You are not our equal. We were made to go to college. You were made to pick strawberries. That's the natural order of things. Accept it. After all, if mexicans were decent people - mexico would be a decent place to live.


nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez dijo:

GRVTR

Well, when you get to college, say hi to my papá, it's where he works as a professor. And think of me and my contagious fingers (and everywhere they've been) next time you eat a strawberry! Or avacado! Or spinach! Or lettuce! Or grapes! Or meat! Actually, think of me and all my contagious fly-brethren any ole time you eat a meal. Picture our bristly, insectile-knobby feelers bristling and shuffling all about your food. Because chances are, one of us handled it. disfrute tus clases, college boy!


Professor Zero dijo:

GRVTR

"Or is some violence more acceptable than others?"

Well, Sigmund et al., I would say so. State repression is some of the worst.


am i a body fascist? dijo:

GRVTR

NEZ HERE for a moment: links are graphic. trigger warning.

________________

hiya

here via belledame, and admittedly perhaps a bit
'oversensitive' wrt riot squad & assorted other 'friendlies'

(not to mention having been on file/refused jobs/before court merely for doing such pages as the above and below, both before and after 9/11, and in jail for related stuff, and even my innocent blog is getting regularly visited by local and foreign coppers, intel, .int, .mil, .gov etc. -- e.g. 11 May 15:43 State of Nebraska, Omaha, Nebraska, USA -- thx for the hit anyways ;-)

PigBrother.info

probly won't have to tell you, but my 2 cts:

we ain't seen nothing yet ... and i mean both openly nazi-style cops in action AND openly nazi-style 'vox populi' comments. (though hardly openly in the mainstream media, i guess)

ps: don't know either bout you nor lou dobbs, but wrt the other part: my race will beat up your race*) ;-)
*) if required, replace by dad/god/mom/fatherland/sex/gender/girlfriend/whatever/etc.


nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez dijo:

GRVTR

hiya...matt. yes, gov agencies watch me too, i see them in my stats. maybe they'll get educated, fools, but i doubt it.

i fear, too, things will get worse. but there are far more people in this world hungry for REAL freedom and truth, not the government-approved toxic kind. so let them bring it. it may take fifty years or more of conflict, who knows. in the end, la gente will rise. that is my belief. we move in cycles. i think we approach the end of a dark one.

and...i'm not sure how to take the last comment. but "your" "race" is beating up mine (assuming from your pics you are "white"), so there is a bit of sting on that phrase i'm sure you didnt intend.

thanks for stopping by.


Magniloquence dijo:

GRVTR

*blinks* Thanks for the warning, Nez. I don't have anything in the way of assault to trigger, but I do have some fairly specific trauma-phobias, and that helped me be prepared.

And yes, person-who-commented-above, it can get worse. And I'm scared that it might do so. But... er, I couldn't tell from your tone whether that was a "dude, this is nothing" type comment (Which raises my hackles and caused me to retype this sentence several times before I could adequately refrain from breaking frith), or a comment more along the lines of Nezua's response - "This is bad, and I fear it could get worse... look what's happened elsewhere/elsewhen."


am i a body fascist? dijo:

GRVTR

nezua: sorry, didn't intend to offend you (also not to trigger folks, though i DO think if everybody actally SAW what coppers and their 'less lethal' toys do, not to mention armies and their gadgets, acceptance would be considerably smaller).

the 'race' part was intended as a tongue-in-cheek criticism and food for thought re: your 'smarter than 10 aryans' byline, of which i also wasn't really sure how you intended it, and which reminded me of the 'my dad will beat up your dad' etc. lines from my schoolyard that personally never struck me as really smart. also asked myself if you considered what it might look like if 'aryans' was replaced by another ethnicity.

but admittedly i'm also a bit 'oversensitive' wrt to slogans also usable eg. for nazis by only exchanging a single word/race/class/gender/group, same as to blanket attributing merits and faults to races etc. generally instead of to individuals according to their deeds. and the oppressed using/reversing them for a change doesn't make it any better imho (ok, except for giving somebody a taste of his own medicine perhaps, but only as long as he eventually digs it, and no further).

(nor do tactics themselves get better depending on whom usues them. e.g. i remember heated arguments and split-ups with so called 'anti-fascists' hunting down everybody they perceive as 'nazi' with the same 7 to 1 bravery i know from actual nazi-skins incl. hit first and ask later -- experiences that contributed to my 'oversensitivity' as well.)

btw. also don't really dig the 'i'm more beautiful than [insert whoever]' stance for similar reasons. (though in the meantime read bout dobbs and see why you're dissing him. again no offense: that competition seems probly not too hard to win indeed ... but remember, often enough a male's beauty depends on his briefcase, at least in the eyes of many a female beholder, and considering that -- you still really sure? ;-)

wrt. your belief of the people winning in the end rsp. approaching the end of a dark cycle, that's what i feel rsp. hope too, though i'm afraid won't hold my breath.

sorry for preaching. to the good fight, and brighter days! peace.


nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez dijo:

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regarding my tagline Prettier than Lou Dobbs and Smarter Than Ten Aryans!, perhaps see this to put it your "switching ethnicities" idea in context. basically, do you as a white person live under an age-old media-saturated lie like Mexicanos do? "Mexicans are stupid"? No. Thought not. So your example is invalid. Anyway, if "Aryans" offends, would you like it better if I put "whites"? I can do that if the Nazi association bothers you. for me, using "Aryans" was a way of taking a step away from something a reader like you might have to personally identify with. i guess it didn't work!

and your reasoning on lou dobbs being "beautiful" because of his fat wallet is well. laughable. aside from assuming i was literally trying to brag about being prettier (nobody said "more beautiful") than Lou Dobbs, i mean. sure, you might find him sexy because he has a roll. but that don't change my grafik, baby! i am honestly sorry though, that you didn't get the smile out of reading those lines that i did in conceiving them.

and i didn't think of it as "preaching," don't you worry!

Here's to browner days! Paz,
—Nezua


am i a body fascist? dijo:

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person-who-seems-having-difficulties-to-spell-my-nick a.k.a. magniloquence: in case you're still in doubt about my intentions, here's a hint: if i was your dude-type, i'd written 'YOU ain't nothing yet' instead of 'WE ain't seen nothing yet'.

nezua: believe it or not, even as whitey i've had my moderate share of stereotyped lies also about my ethnicity (btw especially in countries where i'm the alien). like e.g. dumb, laughable, anal retentive, too rich. to name just a few, but enough for probly everyone at least within the e.u. to name the country. (actually many people here believe in it themselves in the meantime. in some ways it's all even well deserved.) though i've to admit as chicano in the u.s. while not being too wealthy at the same time reckon the problem's more existential. as it is for other whites around here more from the east or south btw. still, i'm not completely unfamiliar with the taste.

as mentioned, besides the capital R there's also issues e.g. re: class, sex, gender and even more 'isms' like ablism, lookism etc., and it is my firm belief that they're all connected and can't be solved individually nor one after the other. and i daresay there are some included about which you might not be tellin me bout being underpriviledged, no sir.

i'm sorry too you seem to take some of my words even more than literally, especially such marked with ;-). amongst my mates, we also call each other baby, ladies, girls, s.o.b. and the likes, cause we'are all certain how it's meant and how not. still wouldn't do so randomly to less familiar people, for reasons of politeness and to avoid misunderstandings. and even less in a context like your's above. but i bet in our heart of hearts we all are able to distinguish e.g. cordiality from derisiveness. nothing personal, mein freund.

just for the record, also didn't tell you what to do or change on your blog, just letting you know how i perceive some of it from my point of view. but perhaps you just know it all anyway? the world is so full of people mistaking their navel for it, y'know. (imo actually that much that everyone has to struggle with that notion every once in a while.)

thanks for your explanation of why you talk about 'aryans'. understand that better now, and though in my case didn't work, i honour the intention. however, to me still no difference if you'd say 'whites' instead. or 'caucasians'. or 'blue eyed devils'. or whatever-whichever. as said, any ____er than _____ in such a context isn't too smart nor sexy etc. in my book anyways. (hm, how about 'americans'? ;-)

btw, though i know what you mean by 'to browner days', where i'm from this colour isn't first associated with skin, but with shirts and a certain political ideology. and also the symbol of the eagle isn't exactly unrelated to the same. not to mention a logo consisting of a red background with a white circle and a black figure in it. know which one i mean? though all of that applies to one of your grafiks too, it's not it. spot the difference? (whatever happened to the green? too much grass of home?) care to fill me in?

in the meantime, here's to gringo bashing. they deserve it. always. like alla them amerikaner ;-)


nezua limón xolagrafik-jonez dijo:

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nezua: believe it or not, even as whitey i've had my moderate share of stereotyped lies also about my ethnicity (btw especially in countries where i'm the alien). like e.g. dumb, laughable, anal retentive, too rich. to name just a few, but enough for probly everyone at least within the e.u. to name the country.

and yet, these instances of being prejudged (poor rich boy sensation???) haven't seemed to bring you much understanding or compassion. odd. normally a human grows in empathy as they have experience more social marginality.

as mentioned, besides the capital R there's also issues e.g. re: class, sex, gender and even more 'isms' like ablism, lookism etc., and it is my firm belief that they're all connected and can't be solved individually nor one after the other. and i daresay there are some included about which you might not be tellin me bout being underpriviledged, no sir.

yes, i agree they are. so...what is your point? that i should not address something important to me because...other important things exist and need to be addressed (and that i do in places as i write?) this makes no sense.

i'm sorry too you seem to take some of my words even more than literally, especially such marked with ;-). amongst my mates, we also call each other baby, ladies, girls, s.o.b. and the likes, cause we'are all certain how it's meant and how not. still wouldn't do so randomly to less familiar people, for reasons of politeness and to avoid misunderstandings. and even less in a context like your's above. but i bet in our heart of hearts we all are able to distinguish e.g. cordiality from derisiveness. nothing personal, mein freund.

hmmm. so interested in sexism and other underprivileged people, you are.

no, you are right. by the time i called you baby, it was in the bk tongue, but i did think you were a twit by then. and "more than literally" is definitely an interesting phrase to use in regard to smiley faces.

and still wouldn't do so randomly to less familiar people, for reasons of politeness and to avoid misunderstandings. and even less in a context like your's above.

good one! just like you wouldn't rush in assuming you understood a blog's tagline, being in a new context and all, and just start smackin your gums in reaction?

just for the record, also didn't tell you what to do or change on your blog, just letting you know how i perceive some of it from my point of view. but perhaps you just know it all anyway? the world is so full of people mistaking their navel for it, y'know. (imo actually that much that everyone has to struggle with that notion every once in a while.)

aren't you so advanced in your thinking. yes, how you see my blog is clear to me. are you surprised? really? did you think i would be having a hard time picking that up?

thanks for your explanation of why you talk about 'aryans'. understand that better now, and though in my case didn't work, i honour the intention. however, to me still no difference if you'd say 'whites' instead. or 'caucasians'. or 'blue eyed devils'. or whatever-whichever. as said, any ____er than _____ in such a context isn't too smart nor sexy etc. in my book anyways. (hm, how about 'americans'? ;-)

well, you are using a smiley face, so i guess i should not take that question "more than literally."

yes, ho hum, i can see you are still reacting quite strongly to my tagline. it's...sort of fun to watch. in a pesky way. i guess i'm sort of with you on the "american" thing for the most part, though.

btw, though i know what you mean by 'to browner days', where i'm from this colour isn't first associated with skin, but with shirts and a certain political ideology. and also the symbol of the eagle isn't exactly unrelated to the same. not to mention a logo consisting of a red background with a white circle and a black figure in it. know which one i mean? though all of that applies to one of your grafiks too, it's not it. spot the difference? (whatever happened to the green? too much grass of home?) care to fill me in?

sure, here's the deal, baby. you're a racist prick who doesn't know anything about the UFW or Cesar Chavez and so you think their flag is fascist, and further, that by shaming me with theoretical instances of my not caring enough about certain classes of people, (without having any idea of my general narrative flow) you will have proven yourself smarter, after all, then the unapologetic mexican!! hurrah, hurrah, cheering aryans, confetti, etc.

but in the end, you have failed your test, and in the interim have spent days bobbing about in reaction to nine words i wrote a year ago.

conclusion: i am ending this thread. i know some people like to get angry for a long time, but i don't enjoy that anymore. i can't sustain it for long periods of time. it's clear you and i don't agree, and i think we are both wise enough to know it's not going to change by going head to head. so i'm not entertaining your clever prattle anymore. if you want to waste your time clicking the post button, you can though.

adios!


magniloquence dijo:

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person-who-seems-having-difficulties-to-spell-my-nick a.k.a. magniloquence: in case you're still in doubt about my intentions, here's a hint: if i was your dude-type, i'd written 'YOU ain't nothing yet' instead of 'WE ain't seen nothing yet'.

That wasn't a spelling issue, it was confusion. Nezua referred to you as "matt." I wasn't sure whether to type "am i a body fascist?" or "matt," and whether there was anything specifically/historically/contextually differentiating the two.

But I see he's ended the discussion, and to good effect, so I'll just stick with the clarification for the moment.