I especially like the "GrrRrrRrr!" part. :)

it's strange--i feel that because the gov't is getting more aggressive each day, the general public should be getting more resistant. there should be somekind of correllation. instead, it appears folks are just becoming more and more afraid to resist. i mean, it is true, "they can't deport all of us."

They can't deport all of us that left 30 years ago. The pot that the US citizenry is in {and we are NOT talking about the melting pot here, this is the boiling pot}has been slowly moved up to a boil, and now the citizens don't realize they better leap damn fast. It is really too late now. Or will be very soon.
There is an argument for staying and fighting but how many people do you know who are ready for that, and how and who will they fight?

they can't deport all of us. but with halliburton's help they can imprison as many as they want to. those who don't fight back, that is.

i would not argue to stay and fight. US citizens have been conditioned to be followers, passive ingestors of propaganda, and deluded by all the propaganda leveled upon us, anyway. vew few will even have the courage to fight, when the time comes/if that it is needed.

i remember when i sat in the middle of the street and chained arms during the RNC protests. in my mind were the fotos i saw growing up, the fotos of the 70s, the people being dragged away. but the minute the cop yelled at us to clear the street, the guy on my left jumped up! let go of my arm and got to his feet to obey. we all ended up in jail anyway, so.... yeah. some spirit of protest. i have no faith in US citizens being active in such areas. anyway, "fighting" would just earn you a new spot under the military/cops' new crowd-control weapons, lasers, heat beams, etc. if i had five to ten grand, i'd leave this month. as it is, i'll have to save up. and if its too late by then, well what can i do. i'll play it by ear.

Just a style comment... those aren't ICE agents.

" if i had five to ten grand, i'd leave this month. as it is, i'll have to save up. and if its too late by then, well what can i do. i'll play it by ear."

where would you go? i think we have a global problem. one that is not country specific. i could move to mexico and get oppressed/observe oppression there. i could move to cuba and do the same. mexico's southern border is fucked as well, but mx is the agressor in that situation. people ask the zapatistas why they don't set up a country all the time. some people theorize that countries (the way we think of them or maybe in general) are a eurocentric phenomenon. maybe that is why the zaps are more concerned with conciousness and ideology. shouldn't that be what we are fighting for--internationally.

Give these guys a few AKs and have them march down the street and they would look like something completely different.

http://www.rantburg.com:8080/rantburg/index.php?HC=1&D=2005-07-17

Or maybe not....

Sorry wrong link....

http://www.garnertedarmstrong.ws/Mark_Wordfroms/Images2_for_Wordfrom/Gunmen-Gaza-20040511.jpg

where would you go? i think we have a global problem. one that is not country specific. i could move to mexico and get oppressed/observe oppression there. i could move to cuba and do the same. mexico's southern border is fucked as well, but mx is the agressor in that situation. people ask the zapatistas why they don't set up a country all the time. some people theorize that countries (the way we think of them or maybe in general) are a eurocentric phenomenon. maybe that is why the zaps are more concerned with conciousness and ideology. shouldn't that be what we are fighting for--internationally.

I don't know yet where I will go. But I will investigate laws, health, geography, temperature, cultures, customs, and costs. And find something more suitable to my way of being. Just because I was born in this "country" doesn't mean it's where I'd most enjoy my life!

And I don't think you have to be in the USA to be concerned with consciousness and ideology. I think you can do that anywhere!

and you're not saying that living in North Korea is the same as France, or that living in Italy is the same as the USA, are you? just because countries are a eurocentric invention doesnt mean that they dont exist as separate bodies of laws and customs and economies and attitudes toward life. anyway, even if all countries are the same, i don't see why that would be an argument against moving from one to another...

jeje...it does say "sheriff," doesn't it? but i scooped this pic up from the bedford raid articles, i think. saved it because it struck me as so "wanna be" of the zapatistas.

so i guess they are locals acting in concert with ICE. thanks for the headsup. sometimes at 4:30 or 5 am the world is a bit bleary....

Just adding more people to the immigration human zoo. It is nothing more but sad and disturbing.

Nez:

The silver lining in all of this is that a large plastic furniture factory in Syracuse closed monday and their employees were made aware of it when they showed up for work. So, once the plant in the Poconos is cleaned out they can just move in there and take over the jobs at about 33% of what they were getting paid in NY and with about a 7hr RT commute. Those fuckers better be grateful!

"...and you're not saying that living in North Korea is the same as France, or that living in Italy is the same as the USA, are you? just because countries are a eurocentric invention doesnt mean that they dont exist as separate bodies of laws and customs and economies and attitudes toward life."

I am not arguing against moving (or really arguing at all).

and, no, I am not saying that living in North Korea is the same as living in France but I bet Arab folks in France might argue that France is worse...

I am saying that countries certainly do NOT exist as separate bodies and economies. Cuba and Mexico are poor because of other countries (and because of their own gov't and our attitudes of what weath consists of). I could go live in an Indigenous community somewhere and feel the long, strangling arms of the U.S. (sky-rocketing corn prices and destruction of the rainforest by Exxon, NAFTA, CAFTA, etc. etc. etc.). I believe that we live in a horrific global economy. I am not saying that you or I cannot be more comfortable elsewhere. I am not saying that we cannot fight ideology from anywhere--as you know, I get around quite a bit and the struggle is the same. I am saying that people act as if moving solves a problem when really confrontation is more effective than retreat. A drastic change of conciousness and lifestyle. We can move to do that or set that up in our own backyard. African Americans (and others) travelled from across the U.S. to join the Panther Party in Oakland. Americans move down to Chiapas all the time. I don't think that is wrong but there are smart, capable, exploited people in our own community (hey, we are among them and not all of us have the privilege$ to travel around), it would be nice if we owned the idea that it can happen anywhere. and we should start doing it everywhere! Resistance is easily put down by gov't forces when it is concentrated anyway. Are we waiting for the time to be ripe in America? for others to do it/start it? to move and join others who have done it elsewhere? (I don't really know what "it" is)

I am not saying that you or I cannot be more comfortable elsewhere. I am not saying that we cannot fight ideology from anywhere--as you know, I get around quite a bit and the struggle is the same. I am saying that people act as if moving solves a problem when really confrontation is more effective than retreat. A drastic change of conciousness and lifestyle.

i do appreciate what you are saying, luisa, overall. i suppose, tho, the latter part of this quote i grabbed of yours depends on what "problems" someone is looking to solve. or if a person sees an international move as an attempt to "solve problems." maybe it's that and more. or maybe it's just something else. i agree that if one were moving to solve every problem in a his/her life, that would be a lost cause. but moving does solve some problems! certain ones. again, it depends what you are after. and moving brings you so much more. i've moved my entire life. i'm not about to stop now.

i really wouldn't be comfortable with a blanket "confrontation is more effective than retreat" statement. it feels good, but i see it as an oversimplification. some problems are more effectively met by retreating. and we all have our definitions of "effective" as well. finally, i think there's plenty of people needed everywhere for many reasons. and that no matter where i go or stay, i will be one of them.