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6 de Julio, 2007

No Right to Privacy in USA (Cont.)

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JUST A TINY REMINDER in case you forgot: the government is spying on you. And no law exists in the US that gives you rights otherwise. You don't even have the right to challenge those who are—right now—going through your mail and email and listening to and recording your phone calls.

CINCINNATI - A federal appeals court on Friday ordered the dismissal of a lawsuit challenging President Bush's domestic spying program, saying the plaintiffs had no standing to sue.

The 2-1 ruling by the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals panel was not on the legality of the surveillance program. But it vacated an order by a lower court in Detroit last Augist [sic] that the post-911 warrantless surveillance aimed at uncovering terrorist activity was unconstitutional, violating rights to privacy and free speech and the separation of powers.

Just when justice tried to finally get a glimpse of our doings. Oh well. Happy (belated) Fourth of July!


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Comentarios (8)


brownfemipower dijo:

GRVTR

groan--this shit makes my stomach lurch...


James dijo:

GRVTR

Ward Churchill sez:

You’re in the United States. You’ve never read the thing, but the Constitution guarantees you certain rights. And you unequivocally have those rights, right up until the moment you exercise one. Ultimately, you have one tangible freedom in the United States: you’re free to do exactly what you’re told, all the time. That’s the one freedom you have. And the alternative? Well, we’ve got cages. We’ve got clubs. We’ve got the 82nd Airborne Division. What have you got?


Changeseeker dijo:

GRVTR

And their ruling was based on the point that the ACLU hadn't "proven" that "harm" was done. In other words, a government spying on its people just for the helluvit (and to assure its ability to maintain power in the face of egregious wrongdoing) is NOT harm, in and of itself. Tom Paine, where are you when we need you most?


~KL~ dijo:

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I wonder who's spying on the spy's.
But in all honesty we all know that those being violated just happen to be any or all the following: brown, poor, "radical". It's all a farce


RC dijo:

GRVTR

Gee KL, I'm not brown or poor, and although I guess I am very politically radical, I'm not a member of any such group and I have no interest in being on record as radical or anything other than, well, "other". I keep an extremly low profile 99% of the time, but I have been known to show up at the wrong place at the wrong time and unfortunately been videorecorded by federal agents while exercising my right to lawful assembly.
If you think the current spying game is only directed at the brown, poor, and/or radical, you are not paying attention.
It is directed at anyone that the government wishes it to be directed at with virtually no oversight of that function.
I do know it is directed at me and I do know why. I am neither a conspiracy theorist nor am I clinically paranoid, but I do know that the US Government definitely has looked into my affairs at several points over the last 35 years.
I can also say that because I know this there are many things that I never say on the phone, write in emails or write otherwise.
I live in a US Territory so I also have the bad luck of having to deal with the repression of my rights while at the same time having no right to vote in federal elections. Not that I am naive enough to believe that having some representation might help matters. I'm way past cynical when it comes to faith in my elected representatives at any level. But still, when I see the bastards on the street that I voted for in my town, I can at least say: "You lost my vote, and I hope you lose in 2008". A small comfort, but it is something.
I can go on at great lengths here about this topic, but I just wanted to get the idea across that the infringement of rights is a massive problem, it is real, it is generalized far beyond brown poor radical and it involves all persons under the US flag and quite obviously, most people who may be suspect of anything the US would deem worthy of investigation and even elimination even if they do not live under the US flag. Examples in the recent past are numerous. {Fidel, Saddam, Allende, Aristede, and many minor players.} Fidel and Aristede survive at the moment.
There is a need to look into real terrorist or extreme subversive activity {I am not so sure that Jose Padilla qualifies} but the concept here is that this is being done now with no way to control abuses.


RC dijo:

GRVTR

I just wanted to add that when Nez says the government is spying on you, he means YOU, the person reading now. Yes it is all about YOU, baby.


~KL~ dijo:

GRVTR

Agreed rc and in no way was my reply meant to say that only certain people are affected...naturally we all are.
I'm just on a rant because I've lived and seen it time and time again: an act, a clause, a bill, a proposition (whatever they choose to call it)I've seen how it becomes a smoke screen to go after a certain group of people..this is no different.


RickB dijo:

GRVTR

And also...

Federal agents do not need a search warrant to monitor a suspect's computer use and determine the e-mail addresses and Web pages the suspect is contacting, a federal appeals court ruled Friday...

In Friday's ruling, the court said computer users should know that they lose privacy protections with e-mail and Web site addresses when they are communicated to the company whose equipment carries the messages.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/07/07/BAGMNQSJDA1.DTL&type=printable